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Starry Wisdom
yeh much better to do your bitching and bullying here i suppose
whatsapp to be banned 'within weeks'
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I plan to counteract this law by sending all my messages in the form of gibberish.
* Awaits response along the lines of, 'no change there then' *
* Awaits response along the lines of, 'no change there then' *
Fez909
toilet expert
A better tactic would be to encrypt everything. Make it so they don't know what's worth looking into
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying.
unrepentant85
Dílis d'ar nOidreacht
They've got no fucking chance of getting anywhere with this, banning ssl would pretty much destroy Internet commerce.
Telegraph seems to be pretty good according to this.
https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard
Although iMessage seems to be best of the "mainstream" ones ( for values of mainstream which are highly debatable ! )
If they want your read your messages, they'll be trojanning your device and reading them from your sent items not decrypting your session ( which is dependent upon what app you use and quite hard work ).
Alex
Telegraph seems to be pretty good according to this.
https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard
Although iMessage seems to be best of the "mainstream" ones ( for values of mainstream which are highly debatable ! )
If they want your read your messages, they'll be trojanning your device and reading them from your sent items not decrypting your session ( which is dependent upon what app you use and quite hard work ).
Alex
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Me neither! All these strange new things that people use. I just can't get my head round new things nowadays - I've turned into my dad.Feeling a bit out of touch, I don't even know what whatsapp is!
weltweit
Well-Known Member
My dad in his 70s couldn't get into the analogue mobile phone we bought him for emergencies. He found it such a pain to keep it charged, then he had to take his massive address book with him so he had the numbers of people he might want to call and finally the thing that killed it for him as a useful tool was that when he did once actually want to use it, there was no reception!Me neither! All these strange new things that people use. I just can't get my head round new things nowadays - I've turned into my dad.
Mind you he was from the WWII generation, when you telephoned him he could sometimes imagine he was on his armoured car radio and would sometimes in response to the question how are you? simply respond, "fine out!" and hang up!
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
My dad argues with me about the Apple ecosystem being a terrible walled garden etc etc.
tl;dr there will be no change to any of these systems you have never heard of.
tl;dr there will be no change to any of these systems you have never heard of.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
A better tactic would be to encrypt everything. Make it so they don't know what's worth looking into
I used to carry around a notebook with everything written phonetically in Russian characters, in that hope that I might get arrested and the cops would spend several days trying to figure out that they were reading my shopping list, or the lyrics to Bohemian Rhapsody.
Fez909
toilet expert
OK I've not read the link but scanned headlines earlier so my opinion is comprised of speculation...
It is bollocks.
Of course VPNs and encrypted storage won't be made illegal. That means back to the stone age for the economy. SSH, VPNs, TLS. Ban that... Goodbye digital world....
What I think they want is to legally ensure any company offering encrypted services in UK juristriction, is compelled to hold the encryption keys or agree to a backdoor. As an individual under RIPA as far as I know, you can be basically thrown in a dark hole if you don't relinquish encryption keys whilst under investigation. That approach isn't really phesible to take with CEOs.
Oh and it's still bollocks.
It is bollocks.
Of course VPNs and encrypted storage won't be made illegal. That means back to the stone age for the economy. SSH, VPNs, TLS. Ban that... Goodbye digital world....
What I think they want is to legally ensure any company offering encrypted services in UK juristriction, is compelled to hold the encryption keys or agree to a backdoor. As an individual under RIPA as far as I know, you can be basically thrown in a dark hole if you don't relinquish encryption keys whilst under investigation. That approach isn't really phesible to take with CEOs.
Oh and it's still bollocks.
I was looking at today's headlines to be fair. But that is still just manifesto guff.
No keys, back doors, no encryption. Aimed at companies Offering communication applications. That is what they want, as my reading of it Anyway.
It already applies to individual under current law s. If you are under investigation and refused to give encryption keys. You are kind of fucked.
That's one way of looking at it. The other is that only 16 weeks (8 really) is quite attractive vs however long you'd have got if you'd incriminated yourself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11479831
Alex
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Surely there are thingies where you have one password that decrypts and another password that deletes everything?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
But if they do eventually figure out how to get into your laptop and they find your plans to blow up downing street you will go to prison for that as well.
You kind of have to assume that they only do this after exhausting all of the possibilities, and so short of an exploit becoming available for whatever he was using to encrypt his hard drive (Presumably something like truecrypt or the like), that's not going to happen.
You also have to wonder if there is some sort of national log of the cases which were blocked by crypto technology x and someone who keeps an eye on technology. While cracking truecrypt may be impossible now, in 20 years time your toaster will be able to do it in 3 seconds.
I suspect not, but if there is, this kid has ~75 years of looking over his shoulder to look forward to.
Alex
iamwithnail
Well-Known Member
If you're interested in NSA-proofing stuff, the guide to doing it for SSH keys is a good place to start.
https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html
As I said on FB about a similarly speculative post:
This is terrible 'journalism'. There's nothing new in any of it (the article linked), and no specific mention of any of the provisions that are actually in the bill, because it's not currently before parliament, although it *will* be introduced later in the year, and it *will* be shit, this is just speculatory clickbait. Oh, and it'll probably be called the Communications Data Bill again.http://services.parliament.uk/bills/#i The bill absolutely has to be resisted, but there's no point in succumbing to hyperbole before we see whatever inevitable bullshit is in it, because caring fatigue.
https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html
As I said on FB about a similarly speculative post:
This is terrible 'journalism'. There's nothing new in any of it (the article linked), and no specific mention of any of the provisions that are actually in the bill, because it's not currently before parliament, although it *will* be introduced later in the year, and it *will* be shit, this is just speculatory clickbait. Oh, and it'll probably be called the Communications Data Bill again.http://services.parliament.uk/bills/#i The bill absolutely has to be resisted, but there's no point in succumbing to hyperbole before we see whatever inevitable bullshit is in it, because caring fatigue.
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