What was the last bit of England to become part of England?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the thirteen colonies of new england
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i guess that when the act of union delineated the border between england and scotland in 17 something or other, there were bits of the country that had previously been considered scotland that were now england.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Birmingham.
As in, Mercia had a brief period of independence some time after Aethelstan, or whoever it was, unified England.
E2A: Sorry, checked this and it's incorrect. There was a succession crisis following the death of Cnut in the 1030s and the kingdom was partitioned, Mercia and Wessex each being owned by a different brother. But that didn't last very long at all, and Northern areas were bundled with Mercia, so hardly counts as independence.
As in, Mercia had a brief period of independence some time after Aethelstan, or whoever it was, unified England.
E2A: Sorry, checked this and it's incorrect. There was a succession crisis following the death of Cnut in the 1030s and the kingdom was partitioned, Mercia and Wessex each being owned by a different brother. But that didn't last very long at all, and Northern areas were bundled with Mercia, so hardly counts as independence.
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In 954 King Eadred definitively brought Northumbria under English control and completed the unification of England. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That article says cumbria.
That is right, in 1092 during the High Middle Ages. I didn't read that far.
I reckon there will be some other small areas that joined later.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
There's some corner of a foreign field
That is forever England.
That is forever England.
Give us the Lothians back then
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
newbie
undisambiguated
that was fiction. Frestonia seceded in the 1970s.Pimlico?
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wobbly
define 'part of england'. cause i'd suspect there's diffeent answers depending whether you're looking at last bit conqureed, or considered a separate constituent nation that was absorbed into england, their own language or whose people did not consider themselves English. IDK the answers, but i do know cornish hsitory. sort of. as much as you can seperate history from mythology.
AFAIK, althastan didn't conquer cornwall, but he did set the boundary at the tamar and evict the cornish from exeter. the king of cornwall paid tribute so cornwall wasn't invaded. Actual invasion didn't happen until 1066, but William granted lands in Cornwall to his Breton followers and at that time, language and customs of the cornish and bretons were very similar. there's some descriptions I've read that call that a 'return' but the people that refer to it as that also come up with some myths that make my head repeatedly hit my desk.
I think that elizabethan maps were the past to show Cornwall as a seperate area to England. and elixabethans did so less than in previous eras. the general belief i see is that there was an intentional destruction of cornish sepeateness because of the rebellions.
Seperate language is also contentious, and although the evidence for language survival into the 20th century is hearsay, there's a hell of a lot of hearsay about from people without apparent agendas, some of which i've heard and passed on to those who collect such snippets. i personally believe that there were people with some use of the language that at the least overlapped the revival era and the reports of the death of the cornish language are mainly dependent on long and complex discussions about how and where language is used in order for it to be a living language.
Cornish identity never went away. i've seen descriptions of cornwall having an identity akin to that of the Irish by an english unionist in the 1880s.
legal status - no justification for still calling cornwall a seperate nation. if you're terribly interested in that, then I'll dig out links to the latest research, incidently from the bloke who really, really pissed off 'the establishment' by winning his FOI case against the duchy.
Oh, and the duchy either has the constitutional status of the crown in cornwall, or is a private estate, depending on which is more convenient to the duchy at any given time and place and is subject to change without notice and cannot be questioned in parliament.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
further to previous replies, unhappy
However Wales is part of England by any sensible definition.
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hiraethified
Be sure to assert that "fact" in the nearest pub next time you're in Wales.
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nonsence
One person mentioned Wales as a joke?
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Does this count?
"After becoming subject to suzerainty to Norway as part of the Kingdom of Mann and the Isles, the Isle of Man later became a possession of the Scottish and then English crowns.
Since 1866, the Isle of Man has been a Crown Dependency and has democratic self-government."
"After becoming subject to suzerainty to Norway as part of the Kingdom of Mann and the Isles, the Isle of Man later became a possession of the Scottish and then English crowns.
Since 1866, the Isle of Man has been a Crown Dependency and has democratic self-government."
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Surely Birmingham wins it for technically still being an independant Muslim republic?
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Or the channel Islands...
"Various attempts to transfer the islands from the diocese of Coutances (to Nantes (1400), Salisbury (1496), and Winchester (1499)) had little effect until an Order in Council of 1569 brought the islands formally into the diocese of Winchester. Control by the bishop of Winchester was ineffectual as the islands had turned overwhelmingly Calvinist and the episcopacy was not restored until 1620 in Jersey and 1663 in Guernsey.[citation needed]
Sark in the 16th century was uninhabited until colonised from Jersey in the 1560s. The grant of seigneurship from Elizabeth I of England forms the basis of Sark's constitution today."
"Various attempts to transfer the islands from the diocese of Coutances (to Nantes (1400), Salisbury (1496), and Winchester (1499)) had little effect until an Order in Council of 1569 brought the islands formally into the diocese of Winchester. Control by the bishop of Winchester was ineffectual as the islands had turned overwhelmingly Calvinist and the episcopacy was not restored until 1620 in Jersey and 1663 in Guernsey.[citation needed]
Sark in the 16th century was uninhabited until colonised from Jersey in the 1560s. The grant of seigneurship from Elizabeth I of England forms the basis of Sark's constitution today."
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