Vinyl Is Poised to Outsell CDs For the First Time Since 1986
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Yuwipi Woman
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Same thing happened to me when LP's were first considered outdated. I found a whole selection of music I missed the first time for $.99 cents each. It expanded my music collection considerably.
Fozzie Bear
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I think revenue, but am not sure - I agree with your wider point about prices though. Even second hand stuff. There's been a slow decline from me buying vinyl every month to maybe picking up the odd special thing twice a year...
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There's been a slow decline in me buying anything. I haven't bought music in a couple of years and have bought little to nothing in the last six months. I don't see it getting better soon.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I'm surprised even mp3s are less of a thing. Does nobody even want to own non physical music?
I don't understand it, or maybe things just work differently in other circles.
I know my daughter is lost without Spotify, she won't even remotely entertain the idea of listening to mp3s.
I don't understand it, or maybe things just work differently in other circles.
I know my daughter is lost without Spotify, she won't even remotely entertain the idea of listening to mp3s.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
100% streaming for me. What’s the point of owning MP3’s nowadays
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
Because there's loads of great music that isn't on streaming services. Because stuff that is on streaming services sometimes dissapears as licencing agreements expire - all those greyed out tracks on Spotify playlists. Because big money tech-bro investment wankers could fuck up Bandcamp at any time. Because sometimes the internet has a wobble and I still want to listen to music.100% streaming for me. What’s the point of owning MP3’s nowadays
Streaming is great when it has the music I want to listen to. Less so when it doesn't or when I'm staring at a circle going round or a black screen as it tries to load.
If it works for you that's great, but it doesn't always work for me so I like a back-up whether on mp3, vinyl, CD or cassette.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Fair enough. Guess I’m just not that bothered by missing something. If an artist or track isn’t available I’ll just listen to something else. There’s more great stuff available out there than anyone could listen to in a hundred lifetimes…
ska invita
back on the other side
Spotify is amazing for albums, but I dont really listen to albums...remains the case that the vast majority of dance music and reggae, as well as lots of of older music that never got on CD in general isnt on Spotify.. also weird 12 inch mixes
For me Spotify has been great for the albums threads though now all I get is this
Spotify's tech support is nonexistent btw! I have a free account so cant complain but still, Im locked out for months now, on both the app and via browser - the vulnerability of being in the hands of a rentier platform.
I cant afford to buy records these days, but did get given a big bunch of tunes the other day and was having a little mix over the weekend for the first time - it had been a long time - was great fun tbh - 1210s + records just feel so good to the touch....
Theres room for all these things and all have their role
( still buy the odd rarity on vinyl that can't get an MP3 for)
For me Spotify has been great for the albums threads though now all I get is this
Spotify's tech support is nonexistent btw! I have a free account so cant complain but still, Im locked out for months now, on both the app and via browser - the vulnerability of being in the hands of a rentier platform.
I cant afford to buy records these days, but did get given a big bunch of tunes the other day and was having a little mix over the weekend for the first time - it had been a long time - was great fun tbh - 1210s + records just feel so good to the touch....
Theres room for all these things and all have their role
( still buy the odd rarity on vinyl that can't get an MP3 for)
magneze
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Streaming is fairly shit for most artists. Most musicians make less than £200 a year from streaming
I'd prefer to both more directly pay the artists and to own my own copy of the music.
I'd prefer to both more directly pay the artists and to own my own copy of the music.
skyscraper101
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I think it's more that legitimately owning mp3's (i.e. buying them from the iTunes/Google store etc) was something of a flash in the pan from a pre-streaming era which never fully took hold (incidentally one that I was never invested in, and deeply suspicious of with all the restrictions that Apple in particular placed including only selling music as AAC files and not DRM free mp3s).
To my knowledge the only people buying mp3s nowadays in significant numbers are enthusiasts/fans through bandcamp, and DJs who need them for gigs, neither of which would make a significant mark in the grand scheme of music consumption.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
The internet has certainly taken the money out of releasing music, but blaming Spotify/etc for not paying enough doesn't catch the whole picture. The streaming services' real competition when they were set up were Napster, Limewire, Soulseek - the file sharing sites that would see musicians make £0.00 per year from downloads. And some older musicians (or whoever owns their rights) make more with the pittance from Spotify than they do from sales of their old records on Discogs, in 2nd hand shops, record fairs and charity shops.
skyscraper101
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Where I think streaming services like Spotify/Apple Music particularly fall down is when it comes to classic compilation albums, mix albums, and live/rare stuff that never made it beyond the CD era. While you can somewhat compensate for that by just recreating compilation albums using 'playlists' - you have to rely on the service having each of those available tracks to compile. And more often than not, those tracks aren't always 100% available or they're a different version or something.
e.g. just yesterday I was trying to listen to the Kaos Theory compilation from 1992 released on Telstar. It's not available legitimately on Spotify so a few people have compiled 'playlists' of the available tracks but that still leaves gaping holes of tracks that just no longer exist because they weren't ever released in significant numbers and never made it to any digital store or streaming service. When it comes to mix albums its even worse. If you wanted to listen to say 'Cream Live' from 1995 or any of the Ministry of Sound 'The Annual' compilations you won't be able to listen to it in any mixed format on Spotify. Its just user playlists of tracks on the CD but if it's unmixed then it's pointless.
I know mixcloud/youtube goes part way to addressing this but it feels like ballache jumping in and out of apps and you're still relying on individuals/licensing authorities keeping these things up there.
magneze
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It's the picture now though. I agree that the picture before was different.
but it's not the whole picture, which is kinda the point...
for one, CDs were an incredible business model. aka a massive rip-off for fans, and labels/the industry (including plenty of artists) made a fortune in those days. nobody seemed to mind too much back then. so it was ripe to be 'disrupted' based on their greed.
and conversely, now it's easier than ever for anyone to release their own music, find their audience, promote their music, and make money - all for free. and without any label, so they can keep all the money if they want. so that's a good thing that has come from streaming.
spotify et al could be sharing the money so much better - and the big labels are once again front and centre of a lot of that - but 'streaming = no money for artists = bad' is far too simplistic.
for one, CDs were an incredible business model. aka a massive rip-off for fans, and labels/the industry (including plenty of artists) made a fortune in those days. nobody seemed to mind too much back then. so it was ripe to be 'disrupted' based on their greed.
and conversely, now it's easier than ever for anyone to release their own music, find their audience, promote their music, and make money - all for free. and without any label, so they can keep all the money if they want. so that's a good thing that has come from streaming.
spotify et al could be sharing the money so much better - and the big labels are once again front and centre of a lot of that - but 'streaming = no money for artists = bad' is far too simplistic.
ska invita
back on the other side
I love this Chinese car advert - vinyl is sooo coooL!
plurker
tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo
This Soundcloud user has uploaded well over 1000 of the classic mix CDs. They've been up there for a loooong time, so seem to be out of threat of copyright strikes.
The Classic Mix CD Series
By me a coffee @: www.buymeacoffee.com/theclassicmixcdseries Mix cds were the soundtracks of our nights, our days, our afterparties, our lives. But in the internet age, the artform has been lost to on
I still buy (and sell) vinyl, second-hand and new. I don't buy or d/l MP3, never have - I wouldn't know what to do with it. I'm somewhat luddite - hi-fi separates and decks at home, and CDs in the car.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
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Vinyl keeps on growing in popularity.
Seeing as I'm unlikely to ever see them play live, I've started buying up vinyl albums of one of my fave (but totally obscure) bands to put some money in their pocket.
Great to see loads of new/young acts in the top 10 too.
Seeing as I'm unlikely to ever see them play live, I've started buying up vinyl albums of one of my fave (but totally obscure) bands to put some money in their pocket.
Great to see loads of new/young acts in the top 10 too.
Music sales hit a 20-year high, thanks to streaming and vinyl
Albums by Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift and Coldplay pushed sales of recorded music to a record £2.4bn.
www.bbc.co.uk
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