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What are people's thoughts on the ULEZ emission charges?

I'm impressed with how strong the rule seems to be.
  • £12.50 for the day
  • If you're a minute over midnight you're charged again.
  • Covers a huge part of London. North to south circulars
  • No discounts for residents
  • Runs every day and night of the year
I'm not sure how they can cover and monitor such a large area though. And I don't think taxis are covered, which is shit.

Some old boys on a local forum I post on are going ape shit about it. But I was surprised by how many people on there saw it as a necessary change.

Has anyone got a car that they need to get rid of? Are you livid?
 
joustmaster said:
What are people's thoughts on the ULEZ emission charges?
  • No discounts for residents
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There is a residents discount until April 2021.

Complying with ULEZ

It’ll be enforced via the same mechanism as the congestion charge, the dvla know what type of car each registration plate is and therefore if it is charged or not under ulez.

Considering the pollution in London i don’t really see how they had any choice to go in hard.

Alex
 
It's going to cost me £5k+ as I will have to buy a new motorbike. It puts all the older, cheaper bikes I would ordinarily go for out of bounds, and will render my current bike pretty much valueless in London. It's not optional for me to have a bike as I can't use public transport due to disability, but I don't qualify for an exemption as disabled.

On the other hand, I'm not going to argue very hard against improving air quality.
 
alex_ said:
There is a residents discount until April 2021.

Complying with ULEZ

It’ll be enforced via the same mechanism as the congestion charge, the dvla know what type of car each registration plate is and therefore if it is charged or not under ulez.

Considering the pollution in London i don’t really see how they had any choice to go in hard.

Alex
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Sure - but the full zone that will effect the majority of people doesn't come in until October 2021! So its only for a couple of months.

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So are they planning on putting millions more cameras round the ring road, like they have on in central London for the congestion charge?
 
RubyToogood said:
It's going to cost me £5k+ as I will have to buy a new motorbike. It puts all the older, cheaper bikes I would ordinarily go for out of bounds, and will render my current bike pretty much valueless in London. It's not optional for me to have a bike as I can't use public transport due to disability, but I don't qualify for an exemption as disabled.

On the other hand, I'm not going to argue very hard against improving air quality.
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What are you planning on doing with the old bike, out of interest? Driving up north with it, or something?
 
not happy but understand why. have an 8 year old diesel with about 40k on the clock- always fully serviced and looked after - it isn't ULEZ complaint . annoying but looks like we should move to an auto hybrid anyway, as the roads are getting busier and more polluted- the newish ones seem to have bedded down a bit and the pioneers have ironed out the problems that always pop up with new tech.
 
joustmaster said:
What are you planning on doing with the old bike, out of interest? Driving up north with it, or something?
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Not an option for me. I'll put it on ebay and hope for the best I guess, take the hit. The market for motorbikes has become a lot more national since ebay anyway. I bought this one from Wiltshire.
 
not-bono-ever said:
not happy but understand why. have an 8 year old diesel with about 40k on the clock- always fully serviced and looked after - it isn't ULEZ complaint . annoying but looks like we should move to an auto hybrid anyway, as the roads are getting busier and more polluted- the newish ones seem to have bedded down a bit and the pioneers have ironed out the problems that always pop up with new tech.
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Live 20m outside the south circular. 7 year old car is a diesel (the only available petrol version is an AMG monster).
It will be annoying but assuming weekend use only totals £1300pa, which is less than the cost of moving to a newer car. However, the thought of having to pay 12.50 for a trip into the Sth circular (and the hassle of logging on etc) will be a powerful disincentive. Which is kind of the point of it
Tend not to drive much at weekends as cycle and only use car for distance or load carrying.
I can see Tesco Brixton / Screwfix brixton etc losing business at the expense of Streatham Sainsburys etc
 
Do you think that a lot of people living in the ring road will have no idea about it until the last minute?
I've talked to loads of people who didn't know.
 
joustmaster said:
Do you think that a lot of people living in the ring road will have no idea about it until the last minute?
I've talked to loads of people who didn't know.
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Motorcyclists generally don't know, because we're exempt from the congestion charge so people assume it won't apply to them even if they hear about it.
 
Very Nimby question: do we think that pollution around the border of the zone will increase as all the bangers skirt the outer zone? If nothing else it will ensure that top of Brixton Hill remains its status as the first place to bust it's annual pollution targets each year
 
nick said:
Very Nimby question: do we think that pollution around the border of the zone will increase as all the bangers skirt the outer zone? If nothing else it will ensure that top of Brixton Hill remains its status as the first place to bust it's annual pollution targets each year
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According to TfL there will be a 25% reduction in NOx emissions on this stretch of the 'ringroad' as a result of the expanded ULEZ. See table on page 94. Nearly 90% of cars on this segment of the boundary route route are expected to be ULEZ-compliant.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/en...user_uploads/ulez-consultation-appendix-i.pdf
 
I am inside the zone and have to drive for work. Also we have a 20 year old micra which will be hit by this. Saying that, I am all for cleaning up London's air at getting a few cars off of Londons roads. I have a colleague who is furious about it. I have colleagues from outside the zone who will have to drive into it and I'm guessing it has passed them by.
i wasn't sure it was a cert yet. It could be overturned with a new mayor. Even the western side of the congestion zone got cancelled by Johnson!
 
People would not swallow it at the moment, but surely the time will come when the ULEZ will apply to everything inside the M25?
 
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People would not swallow it at the moment, but surely the time will come when the ULEZ will apply to everything inside the M25?
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The GLA's area of control doesn't extend to the M25 but plenty of people calling for the ULEZ to be extended to the GLA boundary. Quite a number of London boroughs are going to be cut in two by the North/South Circular boundary. The South Circular, in particular, is a very sketchy boundary.
 
It’s ultra easy to check if your vehicle is affected- just enter your reg number on their website.i’m surprised to hear that some bikes are non compliant. Our small, 17 y.o. van is okay, though admittedly it is petrol rather than diesel. My old 50cc scooter is fine too.
 
mines a Euro5 compliant engine - i'm apparently subject to the charge. oh dear, what a pity, another reason to not drive to/in London...
 
Our dirty diesel isn't ULEZ compliant, so my understanding is that from 2019, if I were to go into the central London Congestion Charging Zone (unlikely), we will have an additional charge to pay on top of the Congestion Charge but from 2021, if we were to use our car within the area of London enclosed by the North and South Circulars, then we would have to pay a charge then too.

Seems fair enough, in order for us to breath cleaner air; hopefully we'll have a different, ULEZ compliant car by then anyway.
 
joustmaster said:
Do you think that a lot of people living in the ring road will have no idea about it until the last minute?
I've talked to loads of people who didn't know.
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Are you expecting the masses to rise up against their oppressors when they find out?
 
hash tag said:
The south Circular cuts tight through the middle of Wandsworth for starters.
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Hilarity in LB Richmond. The South Circular cuts through the top of the borough, conveniently separating the one tip (sorry reuse and recycling centre) from the rest of the borough. It looks like some will have to pay to go to the tip if their car isn't up to scratch, its going to be a fly tippers dream.
 
I'm inside the zone and the only way I drive is out of London, so in 2021 I'll have to pay just to get in my very non compliant old car. :(
 
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