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planetgeli said:
Hodgkinson nice and sweary apparently! And bowled over beautifully in her interview. Amazing joy and you get the impression she's a really nice person.

19, came from nowhere.
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Hodgkinson so young I don't think she realised if you win a silver the cameras are going to be on you :D
"What the FUCK?" was what she yelled at someone in the crowd.
Great race, loads of the athletes got PBs with some NRs in there too. Great race, looking forward to seeing Hodgkinson develop in the next few years. Shoutout to Mu though, was never in doubt, and the youngest in the race.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Yeah, wasn't aware of the situation/context. Johnson just went into it a bit, but should probably read up on it a bit more.
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Same as Caster Semenya. She's banned from running 400m to 1500m unless she takes drugs to artificially lower her naturally occurring testosterone levels.
 
Interesting hearing Johnson say "the advances in equipment/track aren't making them faster, it's allowing them to be as fast as they can", in terms of they reduce the factors that create friction, drag, etc that slow you down.

Effectively, today's athletes are still running and achieving speeds/times on their own merits, they just have fewer elements working against them than previous athletes.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Interesting hearing Johnson say "the advances in equipment/track aren't making them faster, it's allowing them to be as fast as they can", in terms of they reduce the factors that create friction, drag, etc that slow you down.

Effectively, today's athletes are still running and achieving speeds/times on their own merits, they just have fewer elements working against them than previous athletes.
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In some ways, and as discussed in another thread, I have no problem, in one way, with drugs and assistance in sport. I wish there was a way around it. But, for example, we only allow records if done within a specified (2km/h?) wind assistance. Why 2km/h? The fastest 100m ever run was by Justin Gatland in an astonishing 9.45 secs. He had a following wind (artificially created) of 4km/h. So what? The man still ran faster than anyone else has done, ever.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Interesting hearing Johnson say "the advances in equipment/track aren't making them faster, it's allowing them to be as fast as they can", in terms of they reduce the factors that create friction, drag, etc that slow you down.

Effectively, today's athletes are still running and achieving speeds/times on their own merits, they just have fewer elements working against them than previous athletes.
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Johnson just can't accept Bolt was better :D
 
Lord Camomile said:
Funnily enough he referenced Bolt complaining about tech advances and said "yeah, welcome to the club" :D

I got the feeling he was simply saying "that's just how it is, each era of athletes have advantages over those that came before".
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Yeah, it's a running joke he resents Bolt for taking his 200m WR but I'm sure he accepts it for what it is
 
Lord Camomile said:
Interesting hearing Johnson say "the advances in equipment/track aren't making them faster, it's allowing them to be as fast as they can", in terms of they reduce the factors that create friction, drag, etc that slow you down.

Effectively, today's athletes are still running and achieving speeds/times on their own merits, they just have fewer elements working against them than previous athletes.
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That statement doesn't make any sense to me. Besides, the designer of the Tokyo track literally said that athletes would be able to run faster on it thanks to its springiness.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Yeah, but they couldn't "prove" the 'advantage' in the 100m and 200m?
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The regulations are an attempt to compromise which in the end satisfies nobody. There's no real justification for preventing someone running 400m as opposed to 1500m. The regulations only apply to athletes with XY chromosomes with a certain set of disorders of sexual development. It's not really about testosterone, it's about squaring the circle of biological men in a women's race.
 
planetgeli said:
In some ways, and as discussed in another thread, I have no problem, in one way, with drugs and assistance in sport. I wish there was a way around it. But, for example, we only allow records if done within a specified (2km/h?) wind assistance. Why 2km/h? The fastest 100m ever run was by Justin Gatland in an astonishing 9.45 secs. He had a following wind (artificially created) of 4km/h. So what? The man still ran faster than anyone else has done, ever.
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The problem with allowing records set in high winds to stand is that it's impossible for future athletes to compete with them, through no fault of their own. Usain Bolt's 100m record will be tough enough to beat, but if he'd been running with a 4m/s tailwind (about 5x slower than the help that Gatlin got for his gimmick run and still 2x the maximum allowable tailwind) his time would've been in the 9.3 second range. To compete with that record, not only would someone have to be world class, they'd have to wait for a day where all conditions are perfect and there's a massive wind, which may never happen in their career.

Look at FloJo's 100m record. Doping or not, it's pretty clear that her 10.49 time was wind-aided and that the wind gauge on the track malfunctioned for her race and the next race that day (of the 16 runners in those two races, 7 ended up posting times that put them in the top 50 all time to that point) before going back to normal for all later races. The end result is a record that is out of reach, even though Thompson-Herah's 100m time in the final of this Olympics was probably faster than any time FloJo ran if you account for wind speed.
 
baldrick said:
The regulations are an attempt to compromise which in the end satisfies nobody. There's no real justification for preventing someone running 400m as opposed to 1500m. The regulations only apply to athletes with XY chromosomes with a certain set of disorders of sexual development. It's not really about testosterone, it's about squaring the circle of biological men in a women's race.
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Regardless of the reasons, it's utterly shit that two African women in the race this morning were told by a bunch of men in Switzerland that their choice was to medicate themselves or be banned from the events they wanted to run.
 
Petcha said:
Piers' latest effort in his campaign to abolish silver and bronze medals

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May Kasahara said:
Ah yes, noted athlete Piers Morgan.
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He's just found another button to push for attention, it's so obvious, like a child who's learned a new swearword.

It wouldn't surprise me if he does have some kind of "anything other than first is a failure" attitude, but the only thing he's consistent in is tailoring his comments and actions to what gets him attention, whether that's as "voice of the masses" or "individual not following the masses".
 
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