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[Orang Utan]

I said the police I'm familiar with, the police in my city.

I imagine your experience is different from that of people of colour

 

[TomUS]

Do you work with them?



With your cop pals?

No.

 

[TomUS]

I imagine your experience is different from that of people of colour

I think you are correct.

 

[Streathamite]

I said the police I'm familiar with, the police in my city.

Sure, I get that. But judging a large nation's sum totality of police forces solely on the basis of personal anecdote is hardly the most rigorous line of argument, is it? Especially in the face of the mountain of evidence that there is something very, very wrong with US policing

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The problem I have with dismanteling the system is what/who takes it's place. What concerns me is an Animal Farm situation.

Part of the problem we have now is that some animals are more equal than others. The system we have hasn't been static over the years. It is dismantled and replaced on a daily basis. Change is inevitable. We need to take a more active role and make sure that those changes go in the right direction.

 

[krtek a houby]

The problem I have with dismanteling the system is what/who takes it's place. What concerns me is an Animal Farm situation.

Surely the pigs are already in charge?

 

[Streathamite]

Surely the pigs are already in charge?

Actually, good point. The Animal farm point TomUS makes is invalidated by one overrriding point; the situation now is just about as bad as it could possibly get: violent, racist cops, armed to the teeth, fully militarised, asked to go into areas of reponsibility (effeectively social care) that you should never get police involved in, and with truly dreadful, never-ever-fit-for-purpose systems of )total lack of) oversight, scrutiny and accountability.
The old keep-hold-of-nurse-for-fear-of-catching-something-worse argument is simply bogus; we already have that worse.
e2a: post edited for minor clarity, spelling ang grammar improvements

 

[maomao]

I'm opposed to violence against anyone who's innocent, no matter who perpetrates it.

So unlimited violence against anyone you (or the police) define as not innocent? What counts as innocent anyway TomUS? Have you ever broken the law?

 

[Orang Utan]

The police I'm familiar with do not regularly do those things.

Take a look at this:

We Tracked What Happens to Police After They Use Force on Protesters

These 68 videos show clear apparent instances of police officers escalating violence during protests. Here’s what we learned about each case.

projects.propublica.org

It’s everywhere in the US that this happens.

 

[maomao]

Take a look at this:

We Tracked What Happens to Police After They Use Force on Protesters

These 68 videos show clear apparent instances of police officers escalating violence during protests. Here’s what we learned about each case.

projects.propublica.org

It’s everywhere in the US that this happens.

I think they're allowed to beat up protestors because protestors aren't innocent.