The Islamic state

[Pickman's model]

They think it will win them muslim support for being the best fighters against islamophobia. It's a world turning in on itself as it gives up on the outside and the working class.

folding into itself until nothing is left

 

[Pickman's model]

At next week's meeting: the implicitly socialist message in the Qu'ran

or the implicitly jihadi message in 'anti-duhrung'

 

[butchersapron]

folding into itself until nothing is left

Pretty much.

I'm surprised how quiet the swp milieu have been about Rees and Cage UK to be honest. Trying to keep their heads down - not want to publicly say that they actually agree with him and Cage UK?

 

[chilango]

no bears in saudi.

The historic range of the Syrian subspecies of the Eurasian brown bear skirts the Saudi border in a number of places.

 

[Pickman's model]

The historic range of the Syrian subspecies of the Eurasian brown bear skirts the Saudi border in a number of places.

not surprised it doesn't go in

 

[Pickman's model]

Pretty much.

I'm surprised how quiet the swp milieu have been about Rees and Cage UK to be honest. Trying to keep their heads down - not want to publicly say that they actually agree with him and Cage UK?

it'll be good night irene if they do admit it

 

[butchersapron]

Lots of reports of YPG (and locals) taking Tal Hamis already. That would be pretty amazing.

 

[dweller]

most barking claim i've seen from someone on facebook is he used to go to squat parties in London

i shouldn't but really.

I was at a squat party in London days before 9/11 and this random guy said to me something like "Just wait and see this week, something really big is going to happen that you will simply not believe."
So you never know

 

[Pickman's model]

I was at a squat party in London days before 9/11 and this random guy said to me something like "Just wait and see this week, something really big is going to happen that you will simply not believe."
So you never know

lonely post thread >>>

 

[Nylock]

cunt off cunty cunt cunt cunt cunt.

Great comeback, knobshiner...

















(sorry all, I'll stop baiting the troll now)

 

[dweller]

lonely post thread >>>

Isn't Jihadi John part of ISIS?
I didn't realise there were special people here to judge whether posts
are too flippant to be allowed in a thread.

 

[likesfish]

Cage look dodgier than a dodgier thing having the brass neck to complain that the charity commission has a rather jaundiced eye for muslim charitys considering somebody travelled to syria with a totally legit charity and then became a suicide bomber which they mention in the same paragraph!

Cant imagine why the charity commission might have a downer on islamic charityd must be islamaphobia

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't Jihadi John part of ISIS?
I didn't realise there were special people here to judge whether posts
are too flippant to be allowed in a thread.

oh dear

 

[butchersapron]

Lots of reports of YPG (and locals) taking Tal Hamis already. That would be pretty amazing.

If true this would put the question that patteran hinted at yesterday on the agenda rather quicker than expected - what do YPG do with arab majority towns they liberate? Esp ones where they've been sold out before? They can't occupy (not enough members/would be resisted) they can't kick out population (YPG would immediately be swallowed up by locals, lost current arab support and bring together anti-kurd focus).

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I was at a squat party in London days before 9/11 and this random guy said to me something like "Just wait and see this week, something really big is going to happen that you will simply not believe."
So you never know

Yes that actually happened.

Louis MacNeice

 

[happie chappie]

do the STW lot really think taking this stance with people like Jihadi John is going to win them supporters? or don't they care?

I can't think of a more nailed on way of alienating people.

I could - Rees could start a Jimmy Savile Fan Club.

 

[butchersapron]

A useful read - keep CAGE UK in mind as you read it: The circus: How British intelligence primed both sides of the ‘terror war’

Yet according to former British counterterrorism intelligence officer Charles Shoebridge, despite this risk, authorities “turned a blind eye to the travelling of its own jihadists to Syria, notwithstanding ample video etc. evidence of their crimes there,” because it “suited the US and UK’s anti-Assad foreign policy”.

This terror-funnel is what enabled people like Emwazi to travel to Syria and join up with IS - despite being on an MI5 terror watch-list. He had been blocked by the security services from traveling to Kuwait in 2010: why not Syria? Shoebridge, who was a British Army officer before joining the Metropolitan Police, told me that although such overseas terrorism has been illegal in the UK since 2006, “it’s notable that only towards the end of 2013 when IS turned against the West’s preferred rebels, and perhaps also when the tipping point between foreign policy usefulness and MI5 fears of domestic terrorist blowback was reached, did the UK authorities begin to take serious steps to tackle the flow of UK jihadists.”

 

[BigMoaner]

how were cage even allowed on c4?

imagine some apologist for that piece of slime breivic was allowed to natter away on the news after the shooting?

what's the saying - "if you tolerate this, then you're children will be next."

 

[Patteran]

If true this would put the question that patteran hinted at yesterday on the agenda rather quicker than expected - what do YPG do with arab majority towns they liberate? Esp ones where they've been sold out before? They can't occupy (not enough members/would be resisted) they can't kick out population (YPG would immediately be swallowed up by locals, lost current arab support and bring together anti-kurd focus).

I guess it would be in the spirit of the cantons to encourage ground-up democratic control that wouldn't need policing - but that's a lot to ask immediately of scared citizens in an armed, unstable & sectarian environment. The YPG will need to be sure they won't be shot in the back (literally or metaphorically) if they walk away after removing ISIS. YPG twitter supporters have been boosting the role of Shammar Arab Al Sanadid militia in the latest offensives, circulating pics of them & YPG gooning on captured tanks, etc - maybe they're part of the solution? There's also gonna be difficulty differentiating justice from revenge - apparently the Yezidi slaves were moved through Tal Hamis.

Reuters reporting town captured/liberated, quoting YPG sources.

 

[Dogsauce]

I think I've read of individuals who started out going to fight against Assad with 'acceptable' resistance groups but became radicalised while out there and 'fell' into the ISIS camp*. Radicalisation isn't just a process that occurs in this country before heading off for Jihad, and there won't always be someone to point the finger of blame at. I imagine some of the horrors of the war over there will push people towards extremism, plus alliances have changed and people moved between groups fluidly, maybe not always something an individual has been in control of.

There might also be UK fighters in Syria that aren't part of ISIS/Al Nusra and may disapprove of their methods, but are still lumped in with the figure of 600 or whatever it is that are said to be over there. Differentiation might be hard if they come back.

(*not discounting there will be genuine pricks or families of pricks who use this as an excuse when they come back to the UK in the hope of being treated leniently)

 

[treelover]

Cage look dodgier than a dodgier thing having the brass neck to complain that the charity commission has a rather jaundiced eye for muslim charitys considering somebody travelled to syria with a totally legit charity and then became a suicide bomber which they mention in the same paragraph!

Cant imagine why the charity commission might have a downer on islamic charityd must be islamaphobia

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/exposure-charities-behaving-badly

Global Aid Trust were outed on ITV's 'Exposure' as encouraging jihadis to go to Syria.

 

[J Ed]

A useful read - keep CAGE UK in mind as you read it: The circus: How British intelligence primed both sides of the ‘terror war’

I strongly suspect this is why (parts of) the British state are more or less happy to allow Islamic Societies at many British universities to serve as forums for radicalisation and as a speaker circuit for radical Islamists. As well as serving this purpose they must be extraordinarily good recruiting grounds for the security services. Good article here on how the radicalisation of Islamic Societies in British universities works.

 

[J Ed]

 

[J Ed]

 

[butchersapron]

He's not bottled it that lad. Was there with the group the aussie was killed in. Hasn't whined about lefties. Killed scum.

 

[J Ed]

He's not bottled it that lad. Was there with the group the aussie was killed in. Hasn't whined about lefties. Killed scum.

I can think of few people I'd rather buy a pint for!

 

[chilango]

Was he - did you see him?

For future reference.

 

[butchersapron]

YPG/YPJ and local forces took tel brak yesterday, moving them closer to Tel Abyad (Gre spi)and finally joining efrin and kobani cantons. Something that looked impossible around october when the YPG/YPJ were hanging on by their fingernails in kobani city and ISIS were swarming all over the countryside. I'll try and find a decent map showing this.

 

[butchersapron]

For future reference.

Rees still trying to pass for being mid-20s i see.

 

[Theisticle]

A useful read - keep CAGE UK in mind as you read it: The circus: How British intelligence primed both sides of the ‘terror war’

Here is Maajid Nawaz at Al-Quds day 22nd October 2006 representing Hibz ut-Tahrir, which contradicts the claim he repented when in Egyptian prison.

"Brothers, sisters, friends, Oslo has failed, Camp David has failed, the roadmap has lead to no where.. we need to think of a solution to this problem - why is it that the solutions are always formulated in the context of nation states, in the context of the existence of Israel being recognised? No!.. Why should we accept a racist occupying apartheid state of Israel? ..

We want to replace the state of Israel. We want to change the status quo, we want to bring in a solution which is universal, which accepts the right of man to live like human beings. And this state has been tried and tested in history, we have seen historically that Muslims, Jews and Christians have lived side by side in the middle-east in a state which recognised their rights to be who they are, it did not call for their elimination or annihilation but recognised who they were. This state that existed in history, it brought a golden era to Spain, it brought a golden era to Baghdad. This is the Islamic State!"

MP3: http://www.inminds.co.uk/download.php?id=56.dwn

http://www.inminds.co.uk/qudsday2006.php