Tell me about Collider, a 'non-alcoholic beer infused with functional mushrooms and botanicals'

[story]

Which conditions would escape standard tests and send one there rather than a medical doctor ?
For the record, with all my health metrics "ideal", it is my life ambition to never consult a health professional of any variety.

Also, medical herbalists are trained in diagnostics and clinical skills (many of which are forgotten or neglected by GPs cos the investigative tests are so good). It's legal for medical herbalists to make a diagnosis. And they know their limits and refer when necessary. Also very happy to work alongside orthodox medicine.

It's not uncommon for patients to be accurately diagnosed by a medical herbalist after being misdiagnosed by a GP. (No studies for this, all anecdotal.)

 

[lazythursday]

One of the things that's always attracted me about herbal remedies / herbalism is its basically long standing folk knowledge about how to use plants to help treat common ailments. It's not going to cure cancer but it can support your health and get you through minor things. And as such it's like open source prescribing, it's a way to do your own thing outside of the formal medical system and I think sometimes there's definitely a space for that. Pre being able to google everything a decent set of books on herbs was a good way of being a bit independent and proactive about your health. Very much appealed to me when I was younger and had had some pretty awful experiences at the hands of the NHS and was very into stuff like Ivan Illich's critiques of western medicine.

But now all that has got very mixed up with the wider online world of supplements, nootropics, adaptogens, and it's become really difficult to separate the total bollocks from the potentially helpful. And idiots like me have cupboards full of pills and potions that probably just contain lead and fillers.

 

[pbsmooth]

Impossibrew is another one. did nothing for me.

"The Perfect Weekday Beer — Relax and Unwind with Nootropics. Alcohol-Free. 0.5% Craft Beer Enhanced with Nootropics."

and a whole load of marketing wank on their website

IMPOSSIBREW® | What is Social Blend?

DISCOVER THE WORLD OF ACTIVE PLANTS. We use a unique blend of plants and herbs that offers various functionality for the mind and body.For us, our journey began with The Kissa Yojoki (喫茶養生記), the first treatise on using active herbs for their physiological effects purposes written 1211 AD by...

impossibrew.co.uk

 

[kalmatthew]

Also, herbalists who haven't completed the training are not legally permitted to diagnose, nor to.prescrbe (they can suggest....).

Still interested in this and understanding regulatory rather than best practice so this is me asking to improve my understanding rather than trying to discredit.

My understanding is that without a legal recognised professional body that has a protected status there is nothing stopping me doing any of the above and with most herbal supplements being regulated as food rather than medicine as far as the law is concerned it would just be a recommendation anyway.

Likewise I'm not sure Diagnostics needs any qualification in the UK as long as you don't represent yourself as having a protected title.

 

[kalmatthew]

But now all that has got very mixed up with the wider online world of supplements, nootropics, adaptogens, and it's become really difficult to separate the total bollocks from the potentially helpful. And idiots like me have cupboards full of pills and potions that probably just contain lead and fillers.

This is where I sit basically and actually I'd push for more regulation a) for public protection and b) to help raise western medicines view of the legitimacy of herbal medicine as an adjunct

 

[editor]

And now I'm paying the price for clicking on the link as FB is now serving up a frothing train of snake oil brews.

This lot are claiming that you can get pissed on their dubious brews:

ON Beer. Elevated AF. Real Effects.

The ultimate two-beer chill. Zero ABV with Benefits.

on-beer.com

 

[story]

I have plenty to say on this topic. In the past these threads have always broken down to jeering dismissal and carping demands for the scientific proof for every single point I've made. I'm willing to discuss this but I'll drop out if/when the thread becomes a peanut gallery.

Also, I'm supposed to be busy doing other stuff (and I'm.currently on a bus) so my contributions may be intermittent.


ETA
Maybe it needs it's own thread.
I'm not starting one: if I did it would immediately draw fire. But I'll join in if one exists.

 

[editor]

I've delved into their site and they're claiming that there's SCIENCE behind their claims:

In the world’s first independent gold-standard double-blind placebo trial for an alcohol alternative, ON Beer demonstrated clinically proven effects similar to those of alcohol.

Effects were further detailed through a Repeat-Measures Cohort Study - After two bottles and one hour we proved that ON enhances Sociable, Satisfied and Buzzy.

Well it's got guarana in it, so that's going to give you a caffeine-esque boost but that's not what booze generally does (unless you were drinking the fabulous but now defunct Coldharbour Courage beer which came with the stuff).

The Proof

The world's first Feel-Good Beer, crafted by experts, with a curated blend of powerful botanicals. Hear from some industry insiders sharing their experiences...

on-beer.com

 

[freshapple]

Just for information:

Fully qualified medical herbalists are permitted by law to prescribe plant based medicines, including fungi. They're allowed to do so for plants that have not been signed off by science. They don't use synthesised medicines.

They're also legally permitted to diagnose, and to make medicines for their patients.

What does that mean though? Whats the difference between being permitted by law to prescribe fungi and me saying you should buy a mushroom?

Do they have access to fungi not available to the general public?

 

[lazythursday]

This is where I sit basically and actually I'd push for more regulation a) for public protection and b) to help raise western medicines view of the legitimacy of herbal medicine as an adjunct

No I disagree. All that will do is end up with lots of perfectly innocuous products that people like being banned. I want freedom to put whatever I like into my body.

 

[bellaozzydog]

I so love data anecdote in the area of medicine.
What standard tests do people use to evaluate these effects ?
Some days I struggle with WORDLE, but I'm not labelling it "brain fog"...
I eat a shit tonne of mushrooms and one day hope to grow several varieties - but ones that taste good.

Says the one man science experiment

 

[gentlegreen]

Says the one man science experiment

At least I can tangibly measure the results - though there's no control so I can't know if I had lived on steak and butter for 40 years whether I would be some sort of athletic genius ...

In terms of minor "conditions" ...
Due to my diet I fart a lot - some would seek medication.
My back hurts - but I've been carrying a tonne or so of rubble through the house after months of inactivity - I wouldn't even take painkillers or anti-inflammatories for that.

I used to cringe in the days when I shopped in Holland and Barrett...
All those "remedies" for conditions I apparently never had...

 

[Dystopiary]

I've delved into their site and they're claiming that there's SCIENCE behind their claims:



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Well it's got guarana in it, so that's going to give you a caffeine-esque boost but that's not what booze generally does (unless you were drinking the fabulous but now defunct Coldharbour Courage beer which came with the stuff).

The Proof

The world's first Feel-Good Beer, crafted by experts, with a curated blend of powerful botanicals. Hear from some industry insiders sharing their experiences...

on-beer.com

Could be that if there is any kind of "lift" it's just the guarana.

 

[gentlegreen]

Could be that if there is any kind of "lift" it's just the guarana.

So it's Red Bull for the chattering classes.

 

[Epona]

Could be that if there is any kind of "lift" it's just the guarana.

That stuff always made me irritable so I avoid it.

 

[bcuster]

Valerian root, passion flower, hops, echinacea and chamomile.
Make a brew out of these ingredients and I'll've been the first in line

 

[klang]

I'll've

 

[Epona]

Valerian root, passion flower, hops, echinacea and chamomile.
Make a brew out of these ingredients and I'll've been the first in line

You can make that as a tea/infusion yourself at home

I can't have valerian, horrific very vivid nightmares.

 

[keybored]

It gave me a double-contraction when I read that.

 

[klang]

It gave me a double-contraction when I read that.

passing on their lion's mane induced clarity surplus.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Impossibrew is another one. did nothing for me.

"The Perfect Weekday Beer — Relax and Unwind with Nootropics. Alcohol-Free. 0.5% Craft Beer Enhanced with Nootropics."

and a whole load of marketing wank on their website

IMPOSSIBREW® | What is Social Blend?

DISCOVER THE WORLD OF ACTIVE PLANTS. We use a unique blend of plants and herbs that offers various functionality for the mind and body.For us, our journey began with The Kissa Yojoki (喫茶養生記), the first treatise on using active herbs for their physiological effects purposes written 1211 AD by...

impossibrew.co.uk

I had a mixed case of some of their beers, a lager and an IPA I think.

While any “relaxing” effect was… minimal at best, I will say that simply as an AF beer they were excellent.