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Some shots from Palestine

Some really good shots on there man. Some could have been composed better, most are spot on, excellent stuff.

Apart from that, change the way the site works please!!!!!
 
I was less than halfway through when I wrote the above post. Then I clicked on a photo that made me think "F**k yeah!", & I almost said it out loud...
I'm talkin' about this one http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_19.html

other faves:
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_13.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_15.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_16.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_21.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_23.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_26.html

All in all I think most of them are really good, but on their own rather than as a series. Seem a bit random like, can't really get a sense of flow/continuity. Might work better if you add a couple of sentences explaining each photo, I dunno.

Don't forget to add a 'next' button, it's a bit frustrating going back and forth and that.

p.s. I'm pretty jealous of some of them pics :mad: :)

edit: when I mentioned the composition, I was specifically thinking about the kid lying on the floor, I was gonna say maybe you should have got on the floor & shot him in the face, like in this pic
 
5T3R30TYP3 said:
edit: when I mentioned the composition, I was specifically thinking about the kid lying on the floor, I was gonna say maybe you should have got on the floor & shot him in the face, like in this pic
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i quite like the compostition of that shot actually considering i was taking some light testing shots at the time on a tripod and was just fiddling around with settings for use later on that morning (changing settings in amongst tear gas is a pain in the arse so i figured i'd better have some defaults worked out just in case...) and the lad saw the camera and started posing and action man/commando walked across the street towards me showing of his skills :D he seemed very pleased to have his photo taken, his borhters came up and looked at the shots afterwards and grinned and nodded then ran off...

text with photos are you kidding ... :eek:

look i'm a dyslexic i take simplistic styleised shots so i don't have to fucking write words you've seen my spelling on here right ... :D
 
havign just gone through the site pages addign the next link it occurs to me it then need's the back link to be the previous picture link in order for that to work which then mean's that there need's to be an index link and i think that's why i decided to have only a back link other wise the page get's cluttered with words which detracts from the pictures...

<wanders of to plot some kind of graphical navigation system... Under duress... wonder's if he can be arsed...>
 
maybe set up a slide show system so that it jusrt moves onto each pictuire.

dunno how complicated that is to set up though
 
Great pics Garf! :cool: ... thanks for sharing mate.

I'm not a photographer of any sort so I'm not going to say anything about the pics other than that I had a ball checking them out but as someone just looking at the pics (on a Dial-up no less) ... do the pics have to be over 1.5 meg each? ...

I appreciate the high resolution but lets face it if people are going to print them they wouldn't be printing at such a large size anyway.
I'm only saying this 'cause it takes forever just to look at each pic.
Maybe a low resolution option for people on dial up or sumpm?
 
erm i dunno what site you were looking at but all the pics on that section of the site are between 17 kb and 86kb ...
 
:cool: Really like the blurry #25


What's the guy in pic 18 throwing? looks like a ferret on a string
 
Yep, a 'next' link would have been more user-friendly, having to press 'back' and then selecting the next photo for viewing makes it take twice as long to view.

Great photos though, the one of the boy lying on the floor with the machine gun did strike me right in the face, not because of the composition, but purely because of the situation those children are being brought up under... :(
 
5T3R30TYP3 said:
edit: when I mentioned the composition, I was specifically thinking about the kid lying on the floor,
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I like that photo as is. He looks really cute but in a scary kinda way(for me(protective mum mode) a wee lad like that shouldn't be near a gun)
 
Some interesting shots.

You let children point guns at you! Why? :D

My only criticism would be the predictability (i.e. kids with guns). That said, I suppose if they are there then you would be stupid not to photograph them. It's difficult to come up with a new take on somewhere like Palestine. We see it so often in all the papers and on TV etc. Very sad that images of kids with guns fail to stir any emotions these days.

I think the first shot is my favourite simply for the contrast and the fact that it is not obviously Palestine as seen on TV.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
Some interesting shots.

You let children point guns at you! Why? :D

My only criticism would be the predictability (i.e. kids with guns). That said, I suppose if they are there then you would be stupid not to photograph them. It's difficult to come up with a new take on somewhere like Palestine. We see it so often in all the papers and on TV etc. Very sad that images of kids with guns fail to stir any emotions these days.

I think the first shot is my favourite simply for the contrast and the fact that it is not obviously Palestine as seen on TV.
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It think you are letting your own assumptions about the place colour your judgement... ;) things are never what they appear...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
It think you are letting your own assumptions about the place colour your judgement... ;) things are never what they appear...
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I see. You mean you gave the kids the guns and asked them to pose? I bet a few news photographers have done that before.

My own assumptions are based upon news/TV and your set of photographs (amongst many others) that I've seen. Rather predictably, like 99.9% of people I believe what I see most of the time. There has been fighting in Palestine for many years so, I have no reason to doubt that children play with broken/abandoned guns. They do don't they? Like copying their peers.

Or, if it is not as it appears what is it?
 
Stanley Edwards said:
I see. You mean you gave the kids the guns and asked them to pose? I bet a few news photographers have done that before.

My own assumptions are based upon news/TV and your set of photographs (amongst many others) that I've seen. Rather predictably, like 99.9% of people I believe what I see most of the time. There has been fighting in Palestine for many years so, I have no reason to doubt that children play with broken/abandoned guns. They do don't they? Like copying their peers.

Or, if it is not as it appears what is it?
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oh there is copying but no i didn't give them gun's or fake a single situation...

these shots were taken during eide which is a bit like christmas where gifts are given and exchanged ... these children are no different to other children there age ...

Perhaps if i tell you that girls were bought fula (islamic barbie - compleate with head scarf) dolls and the boy's got what any boy want's ...

execept they don't play cowboy's and indians... the play settler and palestinians...

so ask yourself do you see children playing with weapons as a reality of the palestinian conflict or children playing with there presents where in the west you wouldn't give a kid with a cap gun a second thought...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
so ask yourself do you see children playing with weapons as a reality of the palestinian conflict or children playing with there presents where in the west you wouldn't give a kid with a cap gun a second thought...
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I have to say I went for the first option...
 
throughout my primary education i was frisked and searched everyday as a potential IRA bomber...in the UK..mainland....by teenagers toting loaded SLRs....dint make me want to grow up to attack them. I like constructivism. :)
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
so ask yourself do you see children playing with weapons as a reality of the palestinian conflict or children playing with there presents where in the west you wouldn't give a kid with a cap gun a second thought...
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Now you point it out it is obvious but, I have to admit my own assumptions played a greater part in my initial perceptions. Would be nice to see lad and girl with toy gun and Barbiesque doll together. Perhaps a shot of boy blasting the fuck out of the doll? Just playing of course :D
 
wouldn't fuck with your head as much though would it?

and that's the point of the shots...

whilst i was out there lots off people were asking me if the guns were real, if i had taken any shots of the people i was shot injured or beaten... but on the whole i had decided from the get go that there are certain shots you just don't take... you cannot do the thing of sticking the camera in someones face and saying "how do you feel", it's not only inconsiderate but it's actual effect on the audience is to dehumanise the subject and the subject matter... in this of all conlflicts there is sufficent a process of dehumaniseation with out devloping that with in the images which protray the circumstance.
 
my faves

http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_13.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_15.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_18.html
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_21.html (especially :) )
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_25.html though not cos of the content it's just a weird pic - how did you do it? Hurts my eyes but very :cool:
http://www.lucidlondon.co.uk/pal/pal_29.html (very nice too :cool: )

Definitley get rid of the repeat, centre them, add a nav system (I thought you were a WD? :confused: )

I'm just not sure that this set of pictures (as good as they) gets across what you are trying to say exactly. Is there some kind of message here? Of course there's trouble there and its in a dire crisis but the Palestinians have got what they wanted in a fashion haven't they?

Hope that was constructive enough.
 
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