Russian forces fire on RN vessel in Black Sea... (23/06/21)

[kebabking]

A number of news services are broadcasting this, all from Russian news agency sources.

The vessel is HMS Defender, a Type 45 Anti-Air Warfare destroyer. She's in company with a Dutch vessel HNLMS Evertson.

The two vessel were the subject of a location AIS spoofing operation (no prizes), in the last week...

Positions of Two NATO Ships Were Falsified Near Russian Black Sea Naval Base - USNI News

The tracking data of two NATO warships was faked off the coast of a Russian controlled naval base in the Black Sea while the actual ships were moored 180 miles away, USNI News has learned. The U.K. Royal Navy’s HMS Defender, a Type-45 Daring-class destroyer, and the Royal Netherlands Navy’s...

news.usni.org

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not sure what to make of this brief report, as it's just quoting Moscow.

Russia used bombs and gunfire in “warning shots” against a British Navy destroyer in the Black Sea, the Defense Ministry in Moscow said Wednesday.

A Su-24 aircraft dropped four bombs in waters near the Royal Navy destroyer H.M.S. Defender and a border patrol ship fired its gun to divert it after the British vessel entered Russia’s territorial waters off Crimea and refused to heed radio warnings, the ministry said, according to the Interfax news service. Russia alleged the ship was 3 kilometers (2 miles) into its waters when the incident occurred and reversed course after the firing.

The U.K. and its allies don’t recognize Crimea as Russian territory after Moscow annexed the region from Ukraine in 2014.

U.K. Denies Russia Claim Warning Shots Fired at Warship

Russia said it used bombs and gunfire in “warning shots” to force a British Navy destroyer to leave waters it claims in the Black Sea, but the U.K. rejected that, saying it was likely a “gunnery exercise” that didn’t affect the ship’s planned voyage.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[kebabking]

More detail. Ru is claiming, or its news agencies are claiming, that the vessel was 3km inside Ru territorial waters, however there is form here, with Russia and pretty much everyone else having a different view of what territorial waters means, and how the 12 mile limit should be calculated....

 

[Pickman's model]

kebabking could you pop the date in the thread title pls.

Don't suppose this incident will amount to much

 

[Saul Goodman]

Moral of story: Don't poke the bear.

 

[Sprocket.]

kebabking could you pop the date in the thread title pls.

Don't suppose this incident will amount to much

The foreign office will no doubt send a strong email.

 

[alsoknownas]

kebabking could you pop the date in the thread title pls.

Don't suppose this incident will amount to much

Let's hope that doesn't turn into one of those ironically understated quotes in hindsight .

 

[kebabking]

foreign office will no doubt send a strong email.

I might quibble with strong....

 

[Idris2002]

Well, lads, it was nice knowing you.

 

[kebabking]

Ok, UK government finally thinking about talking...





A bit of spoof, a bit of bollocks, and a lie is halfway round the world before the truth has its boots on....?

 

[a_chap]

"The vessel is HMS Defender, a Type 45 Anti-Air Warfare destroyer"

-and-

"Su-24M bombers dropped 4 OFAB-250 bombs in front of the destroyer"


Am I the only one thinking "If only they had some sort of defence against aerial assault"

 

[spitfire]

Did you get the 3 minute warning?

 

[spitfire]

Ok, UK government finally thinking about talking...





A bit of spoof, a bit of bollocks, and a lie is halfway round the world before the truth has its boots on....?

Should give the next series of Warship: Life at Sea a bit of a zing.

 

[kebabking]

"The vessel is HMS Defender, a Type 45 Anti-Air Warfare destroyer"

-and-

"Su-24M bombers dropped 4 OFAB-250 bombs in front of the destroyer"


Am I the only one thinking "If only they had some sort of defence against aerial assault"

Russians like to play close... This is from the Baltic in the last few weeks.

 

[Colin Hunt]

Looks like a pretty standard freedom of navigation operation to me. We get to assert a claim about what is and isn't international waters and they get to rattle the sabres and get a bit arsey while maintaining their claim. Similar stuff has been happening in the South China Sea for years.

The intriguing bit for me is Russia lying about what they did in response but I guess that can be explained in terms of domestic politics.

 

[likesfish]

Moral of story: Don't poke the bear.

Because that works well
Doesn't get your citizens murdered or jailed or your country invaded. Putins a thug and runs a kletocracy

There's a reason NATOS at Russias border Russia isn't a trustworthy neigh our

 

[2hats]

How annoying that my favourite dosimeter would choose this week to develop a fault.

 

[Flavour]

I too would imagine the point of this is more domestic than international for Russia

 

[Idris2002]

Did you get the 3 minute warning?

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Just honky Tonkin.

 

[kebabking]

I too would imagine the point of this is more domestic than international for Russia

There's an international security conference bon in Moscow today - all the nice kids are there: Myanmar, Belarus....

 

[LDC]

There's an international security conference bon in Moscow today - all the nice kids are there: Myanmar, Belarus....

Assad running the welcome desk and handing out goodie bags and name badges.

 

[kebabking]

MOD providing a bit more detail - I think the Russians are talking bollocks, not unrelated to the announcement yesterday that the UK is transfering 2 RN minehunters to the Ukrainian navy, and that Ukraine is buying some UK built warships....

 

[spitfire]

There's an international security conference bon in Moscow today - all the nice kids are there: Myanmar, Belarus....

One in St Petersburg as well. Maritime, lol.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Let's hope that doesn't turn into one of those ironically understated quotes in hindsight .

Didn't Threads start with a naval skirmish along these lines?

 

[Sprocket.]

Didn't Threads start with a naval skirmish along these lines?

This one did.

 

[maomao]

Didn't Threads start with a naval skirmish along these lines?

That kicked off with the US using a battlefield nuke on Russian ground troops.

 

[WouldBe]

"The vessel is HMS Defender, a Type 45 Anti-Air Warfare destroyer"

-and-

"Su-24M bombers dropped 4 OFAB-250 bombs in front of the destroyer"


Am I the only one thinking "If only they had some sort of defence against aerial assault"

Having seen the state of the Russian navy we could probably have sunk their ship by firing blanks at it.

 

[kebabking]

So, what we've got today is an interesting example of infowars/sub-threshold/greyzone operations...

it certainly shows that if you astonish people, they'll believe anything - but I think there's nuance here: the Russian MOD saying they have fired on a NATO warship is big, important news, even if it turns out not to be true.

in some ways it's a classic conspiracy theory: you take a narrative, you pull together disperate threads of truth, add a lie, and then broadcast it at maximum volume and use the viral nature of social media to get penetration.

It's interesting that it turns out that the UK understands info ops enough to have the BBC's defence correspondent on board HMS Defender, but I think today has shown that they were too slow to get the truth out - the story, the emotion was embedded long before the rebuttal started.

Welcome to the future...

 

[LDC]

Headlining on BBC news now, some interesting footage. RU Coastguard requesting RN ship changes course or get fired upon....

Looks a little, err.... tense on the RN ship.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Pulling the ears of the bear is up there with pissing in the mouth of the dragon.doesn’t matter wether it really happened or not