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Roti van on Brixton Station Road 'given 21 days to go' - petition started

jayrayner said:
Evening. Been a while since I popped up on here. I was asked by a number of people if I could help with the campaign. I certainly agree that, with certain new and overly exclusive and moneyed businesses popping up in Market Row and the BV, the very last thing we need is for a food operation that is a part of what Brixton is really all about, being run out of town on a technicality.

However - having investigated - Lambeth aren't the problem here. It turns out that she isn't a UK resident and does not have the right to work here. In those circumstances the council can not legally give her a license to trade. Her application for full status is in with the Home Office and Lambeth describe themselves as 'sympathetic to her position' but this really is one for the Home Office. In short that's where the campaign should be focussed.
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The Home Office are like Golden Dawn in Greece.

Its getting increasingly difficult here for non EU. I now a lot of people from non EU so I hear all about this. As someone who is British I find it embarrassing that people who come here get treated like this.

The Council if they gave her license in full knowledge of her status would be liable to a visit from Golden Dawn thugs those nice people from the Border and Immigration Agency.

The way things work now the onus is on employers to ensure they know the immigration status of people they take on. Now its seems Councils have to do the same. Not for people they employ but people who apply for license from them. Crap really.

Its like that Uni in central London. Golden Dawn Border and Immigration Agency expect people to grass others up for them. Or face penalties.

I know someone who is second generation Caribbean descent who works in a school. She said has to present her passport once a year to prove she can work and live here. Seems to be standard procedure.
 
jayrayner said:
Thanks, but I won't. I've lived in Brixton long enough - over 21 years - to know the circularity of those arguments, and the entrenched views on all sides. I'll leave you all to it.
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I have lived in Brixton long enough to tell you that gentrification is no joking matter.

Its not a circular argument for me. My future here is not at all certain.

People I used to know in Rushcroft Road and Clifton have all gone. Most of the housing sold to developers.
 
Gramsci said:
I have lived in Brixton long enough to tell you that gentrification is no joking matter.

Its not a circular argument for me. My future here is not at all certain.

People I used to know in Rushcroft Road and Clifton have all gone. Most of the housing sold to developers.
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Indeed. Things are changing faster than at any other point in Brixton's recent history and I'd say it's a discussion worth having even if some of the topics have been discussed before.
 
editor said:
Indeed. Things are changing faster than at any other point in Brixton's recent history and I'd say it's a discussion worth having even if some of the topics have been discussed before.
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It definitely is and will continue to be I'm sure. But it's fair to say Jay Rayner posting here under his own name would pretty much be there to be shot at don't you think?
 
Ol Nick said:
Cock.
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Ru trying to make a point?

I do not blame the Council for this. They are in a difficult position.

What is in effect the difference between Golden Dawn going to street markets in Greece and checking that everyone there as the right papers and the Border and Immigration Agency methods?

I do not see there is much of a difference. Greece is getting stick for the way it is treating immigrants. But is it that much different here?

Its done in a more "civilized" way but in the end its the same. They get chucked out.

Here its done in the name of a "fair" immigration policy. At least Golden Dawn are upfront about it.

It ludicrous to give a little old lady such are a hard time to keep Daily Mail readers happy.
 
quimcunx said:
He didn't make a joke, that I can see.
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I was some what irritated. Cant always do measured thought out posts. Dont go on about it here but Ive been under a lot of pressure re being able staying in Brixton over the past few years. Its been touch and go several times.
 
You have done a lot for Brixton, Gramsci.The shit unglamorous stuff. Boring meetings on hard chairs on cold dark nights (or lovely summer evenings when you could be elsewhere having fun) endless beavering away scrutinising documents. I also know the situation that you, and many others are in right now on the housing front. If only there was an inner city version of grace and favour flats for the hardworking and deserving community heroes then you'd be a worthy tenant.
 
Gramsci said:
Ru trying to make a point?

I do not blame the Council for this. They are in a difficult position.

What is in effect the difference between Golden Dawn going to street markets in Greece and checking that everyone there as the right papers and the Border and Immigration Agency methods?

I do not see there is much of a difference. Greece is getting stick for the way it is treating immigrants. But is it that much different here?

Its done in a more "civilized" way but in the end its the same. They get chucked out.

Here its done in the name of a "fair" immigration policy. At least Golden Dawn are upfront about it.

It ludicrous to give a little old lady such are a hard time to keep Daily Mail readers happy.
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Ignore him, he just looked in the mirror ;-)

Completely agree. Don't get me started on immigration. The whole thing is bullshit
 
I, too, love the rotis, especially the one with chick peas and spinach. This summer, tho', whilst working on a stall, I got me a roti but was dismayed to find in it lots of little stones, one of which nearly broke a tooth. I had a very discreet word with the lady, not wanting to embarrass her or put off other customers, and was surprised at how defensive she was. I suggested that maybe they had come from a can of chick peas, to which she replied it wasn't her fault if this was the case. Still trying to be nice about it, I said I was just giving her the heads up so she can make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else. Have to say, I've not bought a roti there since because of they way she dealt with it. A 'sorry' would have been enough and bit of graciousness.

Having said all that, I would still support her, so if there is going to be a petition to the Home Office, I'll happily sign.
 
Went to get a roti at lunchtime but she was closed. I assume that's cos it's half day closing in the market, rather than her 21 days is up already?
 
Gramsci said:
The Home Office are like Golden Dawn in Greece.
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Nah, not having that. They're not neo-fascists, they're just Civil Servants with the sort of superiority complexes some branches of the Civil Service develop when they know they can ride fairly roughshod over proper procedure. Power-crazed bureaucratic pinheads, yes. Fascists, no.

Its getting increasingly difficult here for non EU. I now a lot of people from non EU so I hear all about this. As someone who is British I find it embarrassing that people who come here get treated like this.
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Unfortunately, this is what happens when legislation is enacted for populist as opposed to pragmatic reasons.

The Council if they gave her license in full knowledge of her status would be liable to a visit from Golden Dawn thugs those nice people from the Border and Immigration Agency.
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Problem is, they do as they're directed, and the structures that used to be in place to catch the more egregious transgressions of law and regulation by staff have pretty much dissolved. Same with the prison service, the police etc - the oversight mechanisms are barely there any longer.

The way things work now the onus is on employers to ensure they know the immigration status of people they take on. Now its seems Councils have to do the same. Not for people they employ but people who apply for license from them. Crap really.

Its like that Uni in central London. Golden Dawn Border and Immigration Agency expect people to grass others up for them. Or face penalties.

I know someone who is second generation Caribbean descent who works in a school. She said has to present her passport once a year to prove she can work and live here. Seems to be standard procedure.
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Back to the old days. I remember this happening to Caribbean and Irish friends in the '70s. :(
 
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