Revolutionary Islam

[Dillinger4]

yes memories are something we create in the purely biological sense that what we remember is stored in the meat machine we have in our head.


how, what and how the memory relates to what actually happened is different. Brains lie to us

Indeed

 

[phildwyer]

not really a question of guts or wriggling or anything is it? Or is it, I don't know. Just I posted something, thought it sounded a bit pretentious or something and then edited it with the words 'fuck off'. Is that ok?

No. We want the original. Repost please!

 

[8ball]

yes memories are something we create in the purely biological sense that what we remember is stored in the meat machine we have in our head.

They also get re-created whenever they are accessed.

 

[Buckaroo]

No. We want the original. Repost please!

can't remember!

 

[DotCommunist]

They also get re-created whenever they are accessed.

theres th thing for this- every time you recount a sequence of events you remember the previous telling rather than the first account direct. Why it's important to take first hand accounts as close to the event timewise as more reliable. But not always.

*wavey hands* the brain is a pattern matcher, its what its for, half tthe shit we get fed in from the senses is filtered out and best-guess filled in based on incredibly complex pattern matching routines. All of which are unique to that particular brain. We all run Me 2.1 in our heads. Its still superior to computers though cos its adaptive.

I'm about to have a spliff so might get even more waffle hand wavey 'look at it man, really, look deep' later.

 

[Dillinger4]

theres th thing for this- every time you recount a sequence of events you remember the previous telling rather than the first account direct. Why it's important to take first hand accounts as close to the event timewise as more reliable. But not always.

*wavey hands* the brain is a pattern matcher, its what its for, half tthe shit we get fed in from the senses is filtered out and best-guess filled in based oon incredibly complex pattern matching routines.

I'm about to have a spliff so might get even more waffle hand wavey 'look at it man, really, look deep' later.

have you ever just like, really thought about it though

 

[Buckaroo]

Satanist librarian
Pickman's model that's you that is!

 

[Pickman's model]

Now let's see, what have we here?

A privately educated member of Class War?

A Satanist librarian?

Gotta hand it to you Pickman's... you win the weirdo prize. You are weird.

and you're a well-known liar.

 

[Pickman's model]

Satanist librarian
Pickman's model that's you that is!

sadly not a librarian, in the sense used in the profession or a satanist

 

[ViolentPanda]

They also get re-created whenever they are accessed.

"Re-created" is a bit of a mis-statement, to be frank. It's more accurate to say that memories get re-edited whenever they are accessed, a little bit snipped off here, a little slow fade there.

 

[8ball]

theres th thing for this- every time you recount a sequence of events you remember the previous telling rather than the first account direct. Why it's important to take first hand accounts as close to the event timewise as more reliable. But not always.

True, but even if you just remember something, or think of an event in passing, the memory is changed.

 

[8ball]

"Re-created" is a bit of a mis-statement, to be frank.

Yeah, bad wording on my part.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Re-created" is a bit of a mis-statement, to be frank. It's more accurate to say that memories get re-edited whenever they are accessed, a little bit snipped off here, a little slow fade there.

 

[Buckaroo]

sadly not a librarian, in the sense used in the profession or a satanist

But you won the weirdo prize. What did you get? Cheese? Puppies? phildwyer you awarded Pickman's model a weirdo prize so make good.

 

[Pickman's model]

But you won the weirdo prize. What did you get? Cheese? Puppies? phildwyer you awarded Pickman's model a weirdo prize so make good.

he's a sorry liar: there is no prize.

 

[phildwyer]

he's a sorry liar: there is no prize.

You mean you don't want it?

 

[Pickman's model]

You mean you don't want it?

give it to Buckaroo

 

[Pickman's model]

Buckaroo you won't like it when you find out what it is.

 

[phildwyer]

give it to Buckaroo

You spurn the Weirdo Prize?

 

[Pickman's model]

You spurn the Weirdo Prize?

yes.

 

[phildwyer]

yes.

Perhaps you feel unworthy?

 

[Buckaroo]

You can keep it lads. Goodnight.

 

[Pickman's model]

Perhaps you feel unworthy?

i feel i don't want anything given by you.

 

[phildwyer]

i feel i don't want anything given by you.

By popular acclaim you mean

 

[Pickman's model]

By popular acclaim you mean

yes, i feel i have popular support when i refuse anything you offer.

 

[phildwyer]

yes, i feel i have popular support when i refuse anything you offer.

Right on posh boy.

 

[Greebo]

By popular acclaim you mean

When somebody far more deserving of the weirdo prize is both the giver and the nominator, you really need to start worrying.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The question is: how do we know that anything either exists or happens?

And the answer is: through concepts.

So then the question becomes: how do we know concepts?

And the answer is: through another concept.

Now, if you want to refute Plato (and I know you do), the best line of attack is linguistic determinism. You might point out that language forms concepts. That's what the early Derrida did--the later Derrida changed his mind and became a theist.

Is that what you want to do? I must warn you, of course, that I have an unanswerable refutation.

No. And I've told you off in the past for that kind of thing. The fact that I'm finding it so hard currently to find adequate words for the concepts I wish to convey is an illustration of the wrongheadedness of such ideas.

There is nothing to be inferred from existence. There is nothing more to be said.

I'm not sure I can put it more clearly or more simply than that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No. I think language makes observation possible.
.

this is soooo wrong. Terribly, horribly wrong.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well, to be fair to theists, you haven't actually explained anything.

Indeed. I haven't explained any of the things a theist might think need explaining. Because I don't see those things - I don't see a valid question, so clearly I don't provide answers.