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Starry Wisdom
how is 'go on home british soldiers' an anti-british chant?
you hear worse anti-british chants down the pub on a quiet lunchtime in camden. from people talking about the weather.
Rangers 2011/2012.
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you hear worse anti-british chants down the pub on a quiet lunchtime in camden. from people talking about the weather.
Fedayn
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They're not anti-British, they are quite clearly opposing the military/state. And, even if they were, then surely the glorious civil, political and religious rights the Lodge and their various friends claim, ad nauseum, to defend, applies to people to criticise the current and previous political, civil and religious strategies of government in the UK?
Fedayn
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Deareg
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Political. The refuge of the sectarian bigots.
Fedayn
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It's not bigotted by any stretch of the imagination. Songs against the state/political/military policy of a country is not religious sectarianism or bigotry. But you know this. I would go further, Build my gallows, The Sash, A fathers advice are all political and not sectarian.
This argument is done. The day the Why Don't You Go Home song became racist is the day football became a political arena and all songs suspect. I hope you are happy you're club has taken us down this road.
Fedayn
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It is racist. A look at the full song show's it's pretty clearly anti-Irish racism.
And frankly do fuck right off with your pathetically idiotic claim that this song made football up here political, utterly ignoring the previous decades..... Yet more desperation from you to try and ignore your own teams grubby employment practices.
The why don't you go home was a chant long before the famine song was written. Funny how it was sang for 3 old firm games which shame fc won or drew, but the minute we win 4-2 it's suddenly big news and racist.
As for Rangers employment practices how come your greatest manager never got offered a seat on the board but got offered a job with shame fc pools? After all he did with hiding the pedophile Torbbet and the boys club rapes as well. Must just have been not well thought of eh.
As for Rangers employment practices how come your greatest manager never got offered a seat on the board but got offered a job with shame fc pools? After all he did with hiding the pedophile Torbbet and the boys club rapes as well. Must just have been not well thought of eh.
Fedayn
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Was it fuck, the two are utter interlinked as well you know. I agree, the boards attotude to Stein re a place on the board was/is and remains a fucking disgrace.
Let's look at the population in Scotland. %17 are catholic. Why should Rangers have bothered to go after the ones good enough to play for us, when they would probably want to play for shame fc anyway? we had Catholics playing for us before shame fc brought bigotry to football so your information about our employment practices is as usual a lie. Your club was formed so Catholics could have a team full of their own kind. Rangers were formed by 4 young men who wanted to play football. We are now the most successful club in world football. Shame fc are playing the victim card to the scum who follow them with their republican manager, chief executive and board. Shame you are trying to bring down Scottish football because you can't beat a team who has had no money for 3 years but has won the title without the help of the mhedia, sfa and politicians. If I didn't hate your cancerous club I would laugh at your failures.
Fedayn
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No one said the 4 people who founded rangers were bigots, no-one has ever claimed you didn't sign RC players many many years ago. None of which refutes what we know happened.
I also think the biggest responsibility for Celtic not winning the league lies at the door of a myopic Celtic board. You see you should stop projecting your own slightly unhinged world view onto others....
It's not us gov, it's just ra Kafflicks didn't want to play for us..... Laughable, genuinely laughable if not a bit unhinged.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
There you go again with the "hate " word.
Oh! hark at her.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
You do use it a lot though.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Could not give the slightest fuck about the whining and self serving bleating from our 'political' friends.
They can wander up and down Scotland singing the praises of their ultra-nationalist murder thugs for heroes.
Because back in the world of footbal:
1 Rangers 10 19 28
2 Motherwell 10 0 19
3 Celtic 9 10 18
4 Hearts 10 5 15
5 St Johnstone 10 3 15
6 St Mirren 10 -1 12
7 Kilmarnock 10 -3 10
8 Dundee Utd 10 -5 10
9 Aberdeen 10 -3 9
10 Hibernian 10 -7 9
11 Dunfermline 9 -9 9
12 Inverness CT 10 -9 8
And who put a rocket up Mo Edus arse cause he seems to be pretty on the ball this season.
Naismith Rangers 8
O'Connor Hibernian 7
Daly Dundee Utd 6
Heffernan Kilmarnock 5
Forrest Celtic 4
Naismith is banging them in for fun.
The defence is not conceding (although there has been a bit of luck once or twice with that)
I seen loads of Celtic fans dressed up as the taxman for the OF match, guess its like kids at other clubs dress up with kits and the names of their favourite players and the tax man in the only chance Celtic fans have of getting ten points of the Gers this season.
They can wander up and down Scotland singing the praises of their ultra-nationalist murder thugs for heroes.
Because back in the world of footbal:
1 Rangers 10 19 28
2 Motherwell 10 0 19
3 Celtic 9 10 18
4 Hearts 10 5 15
5 St Johnstone 10 3 15
6 St Mirren 10 -1 12
7 Kilmarnock 10 -3 10
8 Dundee Utd 10 -5 10
9 Aberdeen 10 -3 9
10 Hibernian 10 -7 9
11 Dunfermline 9 -9 9
12 Inverness CT 10 -9 8
And who put a rocket up Mo Edus arse cause he seems to be pretty on the ball this season.
Naismith Rangers 8
O'Connor Hibernian 7
Daly Dundee Utd 6
Heffernan Kilmarnock 5
Forrest Celtic 4
Naismith is banging them in for fun.
The defence is not conceding (although there has been a bit of luck once or twice with that)
I seen loads of Celtic fans dressed up as the taxman for the OF match, guess its like kids at other clubs dress up with kits and the names of their favourite players and the tax man in the only chance Celtic fans have of getting ten points of the Gers this season.
Fedayn
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Could not give the slightest fuck about the whining and self serving bleating from our 'political' friends.
One sided or a plague on both their houses?
Because back in the world of footbal:
1 Rangers 10 19 28
2 Motherwell 10 0 19
3 Celtic 9 10 18
4 Hearts 10 5 15
5 St Johnstone 10 3 15
6 St Mirren 10 -1 12
7 Kilmarnock 10 -3 10
8 Dundee Utd 10 -5 10
9 Aberdeen 10 -3 9
10 Hibernian 10 -7 9
11 Dunfermline 9 -9 9
12 Inverness CT 10 -9 8
And who put a rocket up Mo Edus arse cause he seems to be pretty on the ball this season.
Naismith Rangers 8
O'Connor Hibernian 7
Daly Dundee Utd 6
Heffernan Kilmarnock 5
Forrest Celtic 4
Naismith is banging them in for fun.
The defence is not conceding (although there has been a bit of luck once or twice with that)
I seen loads of Celtic fans dressed up as the taxman for the OF match, guess its like kids at other clubs dress up with kits and the names of their favourite players and the tax man in the only chance Celtic fans have of getting ten points of the Gers this season.
I have to admit there's no arguing with this
Or you could say we have won 13 in the last 20 years. It does beggar belief.
inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
I think this statement really gets to the heart of what's really going on with your bizzarre fantasy-land posts.
What you're really saying here is that you in fact know fine well that interpreting 'go on home British soldier' as "anti-British" misses the entire point of the song, just as you know that "hun" is rarely if ever used to refer to protestants in Scotland.
What you're blatantly admitting is that your lot have made a conscious decision to pretend to be offended by anything that celtic fans sing about and you think you can cobble together an argument as to why it might hurt your feelings. This is because the geniuses that populate your ranks still don't understand what exactly is wrong with inviting an ethnic group to go back to where they came from or singing about being up to your knees in that group's blood. You think that the only reason you are not allowed to get involved in that anymore is because Celtic fans pretended to be offended by your songs.
Curiously, the same rough point is made by the Orc that was selected to give evidence at the Justice commitee hearings:
http://www.holyrood.tv/popup.asp?st...ive.lbwa.verio.net/archive/060911_justice.wmv (it's about 35-36 mins in)
However, your biggest problem is that you are actually dumb enough to believe the nonsense you read on Rangers boards that follow this theme. You don't know what racism or sectarianism is, you don't know how a logical argument works and you certainly don't know how to construct a logical argument about racism or sectarianism.
You think that you can be both offended by the racism and sectarianism of Celtic fans while simultaneously believing that the racism and sectarianism of Rangers fans was entirely invented. In summary, you're just far too stupid to play the fake-offendedness game. You should give it up.
Of course, the big tragedy here is that finally some of the reasonable arguments about Scotland's sectarianism problem are being heard at the highest level. There is a great opportunity to do something worthwhile and the best thing that the Rangers fans can come up with is to threaten a childish grass-a-thon because they feel picked on.
inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
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inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
No you didn't. You're just too stupid to come up with a response.
Clearly.
but in fairness he does have a long and consistent track record of not pursuing anything that would involve him actually engaging in 'thinking'.
A response to what? What i am saying is the chant never offended anyone from shame fc until Rangers beat them. This all coincides with shame fc being beaten by a club on it's knees. With no other avenue to go down to hoodwink the scum fans, songs became the great debate. Inviting an etnic group which is mostly the same makeup as the ours is offensive? Only if you have been told constantly that we ( Rangers and it's supporters ) are better than you.
Up to our knees in the blood of rebels against the crown yes thats what we sing about,but suddenly it's a religion and not nationalists we are singing about. Again why the sudden agenda? Wolftone a catholic?
If shame fc are offended about songs we have sung for years, i should accept songs about my club and fans? You put up a good case with that one.
Tit for tat. If shame fc and it,s fans can be mock offended so can we.
As for it being heard at the highest level ,now shame fc are being dragged unwillingly into it freedom of speech is now being shouted about. Strange, it's almost as if an agreed truce has been thrown away and some clubs are not happy with the way the law is going against them and their fans. The i ran away sing song at the weekend ,shows who the real bigots are don't you think or did i miss the point of the shame fc scum supporting a sectarian murder group.
Hope this helps. XXX
Up to our knees in the blood of rebels against the crown yes thats what we sing about,but suddenly it's a religion and not nationalists we are singing about. Again why the sudden agenda? Wolftone a catholic?
If shame fc are offended about songs we have sung for years, i should accept songs about my club and fans? You put up a good case with that one.
Tit for tat. If shame fc and it,s fans can be mock offended so can we.As for it being heard at the highest level ,now shame fc are being dragged unwillingly into it freedom of speech is now being shouted about. Strange, it's almost as if an agreed truce has been thrown away and some clubs are not happy with the way the law is going against them and their fans. The i ran away sing song at the weekend ,shows who the real bigots are don't you think or did i miss the point of the shame fc scum supporting a sectarian murder group.
Hope this helps. XXX
sleaterkinney
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Have they been wound up yet?
