Proposed potash mine in North York Moors National Park

[Roadkill]

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I take it you actually have a point to make? Or are you just trying to be awkward, as per usual...?

 

[bi0boy]

*edit* Sorry, wrong target. You're way off the mark, though - I've argued nothing of the kind.

But you're arguing that National Parks should be disregarded when it comes to siting heavy industry in the North, because of a lack of jobs there.This kind of approach is only going to accentuate the differences that contributed to the North/South divide in the first place.

 

[Roadkill]

But you're arguing that National Parks should be disregarded when it comes to siting heavy industry in the North, because of a lack of jobs there.This kind of approach is only going to accentuate the differences that contributed to the North/South divide in the first place.

I'm arguing that there's a case - not more than that - for relaxing conservation rules in one small area if there's some hope of generating long-term, stable industry in a part of the country that needs it. I'd far rather see the Isle of Dogs torn up for a potash mine than the Yorkshire coast, but that's not where the opportunities are, is it?

 

[free spirit]

But you're arguing that National Parks should be disregarded when it comes to siting heavy industry in the North, because of a lack of jobs there.This kind of approach is only going to accentuate the differences that contributed to the North/South divide in the first place.

not really. We've got far more national park type land than the south, and far less jobs than most of it.

what really accentuated the differences was thatcher destroying the miners, then following it up with lots of other industries based in the north while London swallowed the vast bulk of the north sea oil revenues via city bonuses etc, not the odd mine in a national park area.

one of the most famous areas of national park is the 3 peaks area, and that's got a fucking huge operating quarry slap bang in the middle of it.

potash has to be mined somewhere, if not here then it will be mined somewhere else in the world, so we're merely exporting the environmental degradation, probably to somewhere with far less strict planning and environmental regulations.

 

[Roadkill]

^ That. Well said.

 

[Fuchs66]

so, fuck whitby then.

It wouldn't be such a problem if the mine was to be placed closer to Whitby as Whitby is an enclave that does not form part of the National Park and the planning permission restrictions are not so severe. However from what I've seen so far the mine is most likely to be located around Hawsker or Robin Hood's Bay to the south of Whitby.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm arguing that there's a case - not more than that - for relaxing conservation rules in one small area if there's some hope of generating long-term, stable industry in a part of the country that needs it. I'd far rather see the Isle of Dogs torn up for a potash mine than the Yorkshire coast, but that's not where the opportunities are, is it?

there's a case for chopping the right arm off everyone in aberdeen but it would be a fucking daft thing to seriously suggest.

 

[Pickman's model]

not really. We've got far more national park type land than the south, and far less jobs than most of it.

what really accentuated the differences was thatcher destroying the miners, then following it up with lots of other industries based in the north while London swallowed the vast bulk of the north sea oil revenues via city bonuses etc, not the odd mine in a national park area.

one of the most famous areas of national park is the 3 peaks area, and that's got a fucking huge operating quarry slap bang in the middle of it.

potash has to be mined somewhere, if not here then it will be mined somewhere else in the world, so we're merely exporting the environmental degradation, probably to somewhere with far less strict planning and environmental regulations.

torture equipment has to be made somewhere, if not here then it will be made somewhere else in the world, so we're merely exporting the moral degradation, probably to somewhere with a far more oppressive regime and even laxer export controls.

 

[Roadkill]

there's a case for chopping the right arm off everyone in aberdeen but it would be a fucking daft thing to seriously suggest.

So, as I thought, you don't actually have a point to make and are just being a twat for the sake of it.

Same old, same old.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, as I thought, you don't actually have a point to make and are just being a twat for the sake of it.

Same old, same old.

you're suggesting that a mine is a good idea. mines are famously of only limited lifespan, and economic and political events well away from the mining business can severely impact on them. a better idea, though doubtless one you would not countenance as involves some thought, would be to explore more sustainable ways - both environmentally and in terms of duration - of regenerating employment in the region. i suppose though that there would be some knock-on job creation from the scheme you favour - road cleaners for example. but you're talking about the creation of jobs which have few transferable skills - digging is, after all, simply digging and there are a decreasing number of jobs in that field. what's desired i would expect are jobs which will raise the skills of the workforce, not ones which will essentially deskill it. but if that's the end you wish for then fucking have it your way you daft twat.

 

[Pickman's model]

that's shut you up

 

[weltweit]

Personally I am for industry. Mining is not permanent and there can be clauses in the contract that the area be returned to a natural state post mining activity.

What we need is industry, manufacturing and jobs, lots of them!

 

[Roadkill]

you're suggesting that a mine is a good idea. mines are famously of only limited lifespan, and economic and political events well away from the mining business can severely impact on them. a better idea, though doubtless one you would not countenance as involves some thought, would be to explore more sustainable ways - both environmentally and in terms of duration - of regenerating employment in the region. i suppose though that there would be some knock-on job creation from the scheme you favour - road cleaners for example. but you're talking about the creation of jobs which have few transferable skills - digging is, after all, simply digging and there are a decreasing number of jobs in that field. what's desired i would expect are jobs which will raise the skills of the workforce, not ones which will essentially deskill it. but if that's the end you wish for then fucking have it your way you daft twat.

Shut me up? Hardly - unlike some I do actually have to work for my living.

You really are clueless, aren't you?

Firstly, if Sirius are to be believed (and they should, of course, be treated with scepticism) there are deposits enough to supply all the UK's potash needs for at least half a century. Yes, mines mines have a limited lifespan, but you can hardly portray a concern that might last for fifty years as here-today-gone-tomorrow.

As for your claims that few jobs will be created and they will be unskilled, read this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-15535869

As for the airy-fairy crap about 'more sustainable ways' of creating jobs in the area, if you've any bright ideas then let's hear them. If not, then off you fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

Shut me up? Hardly - unlike some I do actually have to work for my living.

i pity anyone unfortunate enough to employ you. must have been a poor day at the applications.

you'll note that that link says the highly skilled jobs will be created to PLAN, BUILD and OPERATE the plant, not to fucking dig stuff out the ground. back to comprehension school for you i think.

 

[Roadkill]

i pity anyone unfortunate enough to employ you. must have been a poor day at the applications.

you'll note that that link says the highly skilled jobs will be created to PLAN, BUILD and OPERATE the plant, not to fucking dig stuff out the ground. back to comprehension school for you i think.

Yes, to plan, build and OPERATE. Then there are the jobs created in transporting the stuff, the effect of workers possibly moving into the area and almost certainly spending money at local businesses ... all the knock-on effects.

Don't bother coming back on this - or trying to answer the other points you've ignored. I've had enough of you. Quite why you weren't given the heave-ho along with Ern, who you fawned all over for years, I don't understand. Certainly, you've contributed nothing beyond sneering to these forums for as long as I can remember. Ignore list beckons...

 

[free spirit]

torture equipment has to be made somewhere, if not here then it will be made somewhere else in the world, so we're merely exporting the moral degradation, probably to somewhere with a far more oppressive regime and even laxer export controls.

no it doesn't.

it doesn't have to be made anywhere. It doesn't have to exist.

Potash on the other hand is vital for feeding the 7 billion people on the planet / 70 odd million in this country, so you're talking bollocks.

 

[Pickman's model]

no it doesn't.

it doesn't have to be made anywhere. It doesn't have to exist.

you're quite right, there's an awful lot you can do with just a simple rope and pulley - there's no need for the new-fangled technology at all.

Potash on the other hand is vital for feeding the 7 billion people on the planet / 70 odd million in this country, so you're talking bollocks.

i was simply showing that a similar argument can be made for a range of things. could be torture equipment, could be toy cars, could be rubber bullets, could be foie gras.

as for potash being vital to feed people here, i'd be interested to know how you propose to ensure anything produced from this mine remains in this country given the high demand for potash from eg india.

 

[free spirit]

i pity anyone unfortunate enough to employ you. must have been a poor day at the applications.

you'll note that that link says the highly skilled jobs will be created to PLAN, BUILD and OPERATE the plant, not to fucking dig stuff out the ground. back to comprehension school for you i think.

they'll not be digging the stuff out with a spade and a wheelbarrow, and I'd personally class operating the heavy plant required for something like this to be a highly skilled job, but then I've actually worked on sites around heavy plant, not entirely convinced you have.

 

[Addy]

When I lived at my mums they opened up an open cast coal mine close by to a potash mine.
The result was a huge reported increase in asthma cases at the surrounding GP's surgeries, and filthy windows all the time due to the wind carrying the dust.

Something to consider.

 

[musker]

When I lived at my mums they opened up an open cast coal mine close by to a potash mine.
The result was a huge reported increase in asthma cases at the surrounding GP's surgeries, and filthy windows all the time due to the wind carrying the dust.

Something to consider.

The potash is over 2000 metres deep. There ain't going to be any opencast mining. Look at what Boulby is doing and any problems around there. That is more relevant than your post

 

[Addy]

The potash is over 2000 metres deep. There ain't going to be any opencast mining. Look at what Boulby is doing and any problems around there. That is more relevant than your post

Ahh never mind anyones health as long as there are a few jobs out of it

 

[musker]

Ahh never mind anyones health as long as there are a few jobs out of it

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make but if health were the only issue (and I don't see health as the major issue for the local population or any workers on any proposal that might materialise here, why would it be ) then society would never move forward at all in anything. There are always arguments for not doing something, sometimes very good arguments but on this one at the moment it is all very much speculation.

 

[Addy]

crack on then and enjoy your potash

welcome to the boards btw

 

[musker]

Thanks for the welcome Addy, appreciate that.