Batboy
Trumpeting is good for you...
The bigger the humbug , the greater the publicity.
Plane Stupid shut down Stansted Airport
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The bigger the humbug , the greater the publicity.
ajdown
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I live in Brixton. This is a Brixton based (originally) forum, and it's good to keep in touch with local interests. The other parts of this site (outside the Brixton forum) have varied interests too.
ajdown
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... and hopefully some prosecutions out of it to stop them being so silly in the future.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
don't get me wrong, I don't really expect it to happen, just pointing out that this idea that reducing carbon emissions must always affect the poor worst is a complete red herring.
just because this government's environmental policies essentially boil down to an excuse to put extra tax on stuff, doesn't mean this is the only way of achieving environmental change - actually it's arguable that this approach doesn't achieve any noticable change at all unless the extra money raised is spent on providing low carbon alternatives / solutions.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Funny how that tactic seldom actually works, isn't it?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
damn straight, I'd love to see Geoff Hoon / Gordon Brown up in court.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well I know what you mean but do you really think you can go as far as to call it a complete red herring? Under most scenarios I can think of, the poor suffer real bad.
Under the most equalizing outcome I can think of, where those who are not poor suffer until they are, so we are all poor, the poor still suffer quite a lot.
I can imagine the poor being asked to shoulder more than their share of the pain, getting rather angry as a result, there being a backlash, and other groups being forced to do a bit more as a result.
I suppose if I was an optimist about technology and science saving us, then there is much that could be done to push that agenda in a fair way that would actually benefit the poor.
Alternatively as the value that is placed on things changes, the poor might not be deemed poor any more, on the benchmarks of the day, which may measure happiness and leisure time rather than GDP.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
oh sorry, was that what you were talking about?
I was thinking more along the lines of corporate manslaughter for taking decisions on airport expansion that will contribute to anthropogenic climate change and the deaths that will be caused by this, plus the deaths that will result from the breach of air quality levels if the heathrow expansion goes ahead.
but I'm sure a bit of damage to a fence and temporary desruption of a few passengers is the greater crime.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
have you tried any ex scouts forums and stuff ?
ajdown
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It's not something you need to recover from, it's not addictive you know.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"I simply suggest that the misanthropic self-righteous middle class protesters are pursuing an anti working class agenda, deliberately targeting working class travellers. The masses cannot be allowed to fly, is their implied message."
you're openly contradicting yourself now, this is just an intellectual game for you, one you don;t even play well - another timewaster, just from a different side of the fence .
Laters
cantsin
Well-Known Member
but being an idiot on forums where you disagree with 99 % of the people is ? I just can't imagine spending my time doing that - but then I was never in the scouts either .
Anyway, I'm off before D le Rouge comes back
ajdown
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I think you're confusing "being an idiot" with "not being a member of the dominant demographic but that doesn't mean I can't come here.
I've learnt a lot from some discussions where I've not had anything to contribute but have read, contributed to threads others have learnt from, and if people can manage to respond to the post instead of the poster, and leave the arguments about other forums out of irrelevant threads, things tend to run along quite well quite frequently.
elbows
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
good, it can be pretty difficult funding a successful national campaigning organisation with the proceeds of the back of a few hippies sofas.
lostexpectation
New Member
i don't have a problem with them being hippies, toffs or even nimbys or business men but if they funded by other airport competitors....
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I quite agree with you, sadly in a capitalist world all attempts to reduce environmental damage will be required to conform to capitalism before anybody worries about them conforming to common sense, fairness, scientific principles or any other factor.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
His point stands though - i don't see the tube bosses having their travel disrupted by RMT strikes.
I'm not sure whether i think PS antics are a good thing, probably not for a number of more subtle reasons - BUT - your single assessment, that it inconveniences the wrong people, is inadequate cos it applies to strikes and most political action full stop.
sorry for the c&p but just wrote this which sums up what i think about them
"With this action you have shown your true colours. A bourgeois minority and enemy of the working class.
Your fake, mockney accents never fooled me. I always knew you were not part of our class or our struggle. I had foolishly hoped that you wouldn’t resort to attacks on my class in your efforts to establish political careers for yourselves.
Ryan Air customers are predominantly working class people going on a well deserved holiday or to see relatives. Most of them have probably flown less than most of you did before you were 18. Yet it is them you choose to attack.
You may claim that you are trying to raise awareness of ‘climate alarm’. I don’t believe you for a minute. You are trying to raise awareness of yourselves, good little capitalist, celebrity junkies. You don’t fool me kids, you’re in this for you and your own, vain, broken and guilt ridden egos.
You might want to consider the carbon footprints of your private educations or the plush lifestyles most of you have lived. You might want to consider that for some people saving up for a Ryan Air ticket to see family or give the kids a break almost breaks the bank and to destroy that for them is unforgivable.
You might want to consider the real life consequences of your actions.
This is no defence of Ryan Air. Ryan Air are cunts.
But there are many ways to attack an organisation. This shambolic effort was a little like the animal rights movements choosing to attack people who’ve used drugs developed with animal testing. An ineffective, inane and just plain stupid tactic that only furthers to alienate people from your objectives and the wider struggle. And something the animal rights movement is smart enough to avoid.
You might want to look to the tactics of animal rights if you are serious about taking on the flight companies. I doubt you are brave enough to raise your campaign to that level.
Instead you work as unpaid agents of the state, blaming the working class for climate change as opposed to of addressing the fundamental flaws of a mass production capitalist economy.
You are no suffragettes, you are no matyrs. You are snivelling little rich kids with a flimsy grasp on politics firing wildly in all directions in the vague hope you may get your faces on TV.
You have dealt the environmental movement a serious blow. You have further enshrined it in the minds of most as yet another bunch of over-privileged do gooders trying to tell the rest of us how to live.
You use fear and coercion to try and dictate our lives when it is not our class which needs to change but yours.
You don’t understand our lives and you don’t understand politics.
In fact you might like to just, fuck off."
"With this action you have shown your true colours. A bourgeois minority and enemy of the working class.
Your fake, mockney accents never fooled me. I always knew you were not part of our class or our struggle. I had foolishly hoped that you wouldn’t resort to attacks on my class in your efforts to establish political careers for yourselves.
Ryan Air customers are predominantly working class people going on a well deserved holiday or to see relatives. Most of them have probably flown less than most of you did before you were 18. Yet it is them you choose to attack.
You may claim that you are trying to raise awareness of ‘climate alarm’. I don’t believe you for a minute. You are trying to raise awareness of yourselves, good little capitalist, celebrity junkies. You don’t fool me kids, you’re in this for you and your own, vain, broken and guilt ridden egos.
You might want to consider the carbon footprints of your private educations or the plush lifestyles most of you have lived. You might want to consider that for some people saving up for a Ryan Air ticket to see family or give the kids a break almost breaks the bank and to destroy that for them is unforgivable.
You might want to consider the real life consequences of your actions.
This is no defence of Ryan Air. Ryan Air are cunts.
But there are many ways to attack an organisation. This shambolic effort was a little like the animal rights movements choosing to attack people who’ve used drugs developed with animal testing. An ineffective, inane and just plain stupid tactic that only furthers to alienate people from your objectives and the wider struggle. And something the animal rights movement is smart enough to avoid.
You might want to look to the tactics of animal rights if you are serious about taking on the flight companies. I doubt you are brave enough to raise your campaign to that level.
Instead you work as unpaid agents of the state, blaming the working class for climate change as opposed to of addressing the fundamental flaws of a mass production capitalist economy.
You are no suffragettes, you are no matyrs. You are snivelling little rich kids with a flimsy grasp on politics firing wildly in all directions in the vague hope you may get your faces on TV.
You have dealt the environmental movement a serious blow. You have further enshrined it in the minds of most as yet another bunch of over-privileged do gooders trying to tell the rest of us how to live.
You use fear and coercion to try and dictate our lives when it is not our class which needs to change but yours.
You don’t understand our lives and you don’t understand politics.
In fact you might like to just, fuck off."
cantsin
Well-Known Member
having read your reactionary drivel on this and other threads , I just don't see it - I'd guess you're lonely ( scouts in your mid twenties / all day on forums you really aint "contrubuting" to ) , but no excuse for all this . I think its pitiful tbh .
But we will control it - if some dimwit actually decides to bring in some form of carbon rationing, it'll kill off the low cost carriers and costadelslime charter flights so that the proles won't be able to afford to fly and will have to flog off their carbon credits for buttons to those who can still afford to fly "full fare".
There'll also be less dimwits on the roads trolling atround in crapmobiles leaving them free for people who really appreciate fine vehicles.
Bring it on!!!!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I suspect they aren't terribly concerned about your bigotted opinions. And all this is written from the point of view that the only thing worth pursuing is your "class struggle" and therefore any of your thoughts are essentially irrelevant to anyone who is concerned with pursuing the climate change agenda in any practical kind of way.
So what is the "practical" way of pursuing the (teeny weeny minority) "climate change agenda - via the democratic process?
Nah, that'd only reveal the paucity of support for this fringe view.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
tbh I've batted this back and forth and I can't really disagree with this protest, even if it does really fuck off some people who wanted to take flights at the time, and even if it's not what you'd call the best targetted thing ever
For what that's worth.
For what that's worth.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Cheers for these. I shall be wheeling them out on a regular basis.
Now, where's that catshit fella?
Who, me? What?
Im for the protest...im not that bothered about climate change. But any direct action protest is a good thing. Its too easy to sit back and do nothing about the state of the world.
Is it a working class protest? Who cares... its a blow against big business/goverment/rules...
And a few people got pissed off about their holidays...bad news if youre one of them but im not ...so tough.
Is it a working class protest? Who cares... its a blow against big business/goverment/rules...
And a few people got pissed off about their holidays...bad news if youre one of them but im not ...so tough.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
No, no, a well lit wall in the gaze of the People's Commissar TV Company.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
No I'm not. Where? Please try to read what I've said. The fact that they have also carried out protests that did not deliberately target working class travelers does not change the fact that the protest the day before yesterday did.
I've dealt with that. It's about withdrawal of labour, and the relationship between the worker and the boss. If tube drivers withdraw their labour, the train won't move unless somebody else drives it. But the intention is not to inconvenience passangers, that is just the effect of withdrawing their labour. If the Plane Stupid protesters withdraw their labour, this does not affect planes.
Everyone understands that workers may have to withdraw their labour in a dispute.
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