There are some cool looking weekend workshops around on this - putting you in touch with the Mother Goddesss (Earth). Any advocates of permaculture her? Could be good for grounding??
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kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Dunno about the mother goddess pish, but it's potentially a good idea...
Why piss? What feeds you? What are you? Who've you got to thank - the figurative Mother Goddess.
don't take the word of know-nothings...
http://www.starhawk.org/
if you don't get Star Hawk it prolly ain't right for you...not for the light-hearted.
http://www.starhawk.org/
if you don't get Star Hawk it prolly ain't right for you...not for the light-hearted.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Why derail a potentially interesting technical thread about farming and agriculture with a load of guff about goddesses?
Altho FWIW I'm a child of stars long dead, and when I die I'll eventually become part of a star yet to be born. Same place your goddess came from, and will end up in fact.
Altho FWIW I'm a child of stars long dead, and when I die I'll eventually become part of a star yet to be born. Same place your goddess came from, and will end up in fact.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Lets please not mix a bunch of hippy/dippy crap into what should be a scientific and fact-based topic.
you were the derailer...the connection of Goddess & Permaculture is steadfast & intertwined.
Reductionism is not Permaculture.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
That's funny - all the things I've looked at WRT to permanculture have been pretty learned stuff about how to observe what happens in and around your planting area, how the whole thing fits together as a system, how best to live to the ethic of maximum contemplation, minimum action etc. Places like permaculture.org, who manage to do a pretty good job of never mentioning the earth mother/goddess/whatever once...
Why are you so afraid of the spiritual?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Why do you think I'm afraid of it?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
.... and I'll shoot a Spotted Owl.
You find it challenging. Hence the need to dismiss. The problem of western knowledge in knowing too much it knows too little.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Actually the problem with hippies is that they know too little and are very eager to share it around.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OO, 'western' knowledge. That old canard. As opposed to 'eastern' knowledge I suppose? Which presumably knows little and knows much?
Let's leave aside one of the founding principles of 'western' knowledge from Socrates for one instant.
I'll ask you a question - why do you need to believe in fairy tales?
The planet has been fucking us over for years with earthquakes and tsunamis and shit
now we've got the upper hand it can fuck off
Do you read novels, watch films, poety? Art?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Other way to look at it is that potentially useful and valuable contributions to sustainability can easily get ignored if you dress them up in mystical bollocks.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Don't reply to a question with another question, it's bad debating style.
So again, why do you believe in fairy tales?
So if we all the Goddess "Earth" that'll be okay with you? That she feeds us, - her, the Sun and the Moon. That means nothing to you? Please only conventional labels please. The Truth is too challenging. Look at your feet.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
So as an expert in Permaculture, how do you view David Graham's research?
Have you ever taken a deeper Truth from a fairy tale? Yes its another question, but maybe within is an answer?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The Truth? With a capital 'T'?
There've been more than a few people wth a claim to 'The Truth' - none of them had it.
FWIW, and because I've realised I didn't answer your first ? properly...yes I do read novels, absorb art, listen to music etc. Nt so big on poetry, theatre or opera on the whole, but I assume that I'm allowed subjective aesthetic preferences...
There've been more than a few people wth a claim to 'The Truth' - none of them had it.
FWIW, and because I've realised I didn't answer your first ? properly...yes I do read novels, absorb art, listen to music etc. Nt so big on poetry, theatre or opera on the whole, but I assume that I'm allowed subjective aesthetic preferences...
so what was the purpose of saying 'earth godess' except to alienate people?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Do you mean 'have I ever taken a moral, ethical or other message from a story' such as 'Don't go off with strangers who offer sweets' (Hansel & Gretel) or any other parable, then yes I have. However, I don't for one second think that the witch in H&G, or her house of biscuits and sweets and cream caks, were actually real.
BTW, I will rejoin this thread tomorrow but for now I want to soak up the last of the sun's UV...
it tends to alienate men actually...and is also part of it's purpose...deal with it...
@Bernie.... http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/23/an-interview-with-starhawk/
it tends to alienate men actually...and is also part of it's purpose...deal with it...
it's exactly the same as saying 'permaculture is His word'
Did I say I was an expert? I'm a novice. I like the underlying ethic and principles. I want to hear experiences of the practice.
