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Lazy Llama said:
It looks very nice indeed.

Reality checks:
  • No removable storage (which some people held against the iPhone)
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  • Only one that's an "not buy" issue for me.....hmmm...suspect it might end up getting it and another reason I didn't get an iPhone.
 
The lack of a SD slot is a pain but a real, proper keyboard is a total win. The interface looks slicker than the iPhones and the spec sheet is right on the money. AFAIK, there's been no statement on whether older apps will work - some say they may work inside one of their onscreen 'cards.'

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Here's a bit of info about the OS:
[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]Palm intends for the vast majority of developers to take advantage of existing web-technologies to develop applications for webOS and the Palm Pre.

In essence, the SDK will involve a mix of web-standards combined with specific webOS calls for device functionality:[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]Palm WebOS applications are easy to write using Mojo, a new application framework based on the HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript standards that web developers already know and love. WebOS applications are installed and run directly on the device at native speed and have access to a wide range of device services.

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]Palm made a special point during their keynote to say that most of their native applications that are built-into the OS were created with these same standards.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]In addition to HTML, Java, AJAX, and the like, there will be special calls for gesture-based navigation, creating background notifications, local storage, and the "JSON-based message bus" to allow applications to interoperate with each other and with the calendar, contacts, etc. The full SDK will include sample code, an Eclipse-based IDE, and more.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]The SDK is currently in private beta, with a release planned 'later this year.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial]http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2315-1.htm
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Yeah not a deal killer more of a "significant annoyance" ;) but christ...I wasn't expecting all of this. I'm genuinely excited and intrigued by it just as i'd given up on Palm ever pulling it out of the bag.

I'm hoping our IT team take a trail one on to compare against the current BB's we have. Although businesses in general are wed to RIM because they do what they need to do best.
 
Crispy said:
Had a chance to watch the UI demos over breakfast. I'm very impressed. Everything looks slick, powerful and simple. Like Sunray says, this is the first thing I've seen that out-apples the iphone (sorry android, you're just too inconsistent)
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Yep.

editor said:
It's really very impressive. Amazing that they kept it all under wraps before the launch too seeing how advanced the phone and OS is.
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Yep me too. In fact I'm actually astonished nothing has slipped out, perhaps Palm has been lucky in being uninteresting so no one saw the value in trying to leak? Either that or they have security measures other phone makers can only dream of! :D

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well..blimey o' reilly...this was unexpected

I think in some subtle morphic resonance way all our moaning somehow helped make this phone possible ;-)

it seriously could be an iphone beater for those of us who like a real keyboard..and cut 'n paste

but let's not forget Palms ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...after being jerked around by Palm too many times us Mac users need to SEE one of these synching nicely with our Address Book, Diary etc...

but hey..well done Palm!
 
Piers Gibbon said:
but let's not forget Palms ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...after being jerked around by Palm too many times us Mac users need to SEE one of these synching nicely with our Address Book, Diary etc...
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It won't
'Cloud' only, as far as we know so far
:(
 
er...have to admit I'm a little hazy on this whole Cloud thing

my .Mac/MobileMe account says it is all cloudy....so surely Missing Synch can help me synch everything up via that? Oh please someone tell me it will
 
editor said:
But the platform seems so open that a desktop app surely wouldn't be long in coming - especially considering Palm's user base?
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We have no idea yet just how easy that'll be. and tbh, I'd much rather do my desktop synching with a 1st party product. Palm's old 'conduit' system was excellent because 3rd parties could plug into it. What we don't want to happen is a plethora of sync solutions from multiple providers that only support their own software...
 
Crispy said:
We have no idea yet just how easy that'll be. and tbh, I'd much rather do my desktop synching with a 1st party product. Palm's old 'conduit' system was excellent because 3rd parties could plug into it. What we don't want to happen is a plethora of sync solutions from multiple providers that only support their own software...
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Hmmm. Most people rate the third party 'Missing Sync' as a superb piece of software and I'd imagine they'd be quick to get invovled with Palm's new device.
 
I would think that rather than create a desktop app, they're get people to sync their desktops to the cloud and then sync the portable device to the cloud too. Just as .Mac/MobileMe does at the moment.

That means that Palm only have to sync with the cloud, and it's down to the desktop software people to sync the desktop apps to the cloud. It removes the chicken/egg situation of "why should I add Palm Pre sync to my calendar program when there are no users" , as there's plenty of demand to sync to Google Calendar/Mail already.
 
Missing sync is great, but it only does what it does. If you have a piece of software on the Palm that needs to sync information with the computer, it has to be through a conduit.

I have no doubt that missing sync or something similar will appear for the Pre, but it will sync what it wants to sync and won't be a universal solution. The same problem exists with the iphone. If itunes wants to sync it, it will and very well too. But there's no default way of synching custom info. As a result, the methods for synching 3rd party apps are numerous and varied, with no consistent interface.
 
Crispy said:
It won't
'Cloud' only, as far as we know so far
:(
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I'm not sure, it says it does Outlook syncing, surely that implies some kind of desktop syncing at some point?

I'm getting more and more interested in this phone, going to stick with my Centro (and 20 quid deal with O2 natch!) until it's clear what the state of play is with this and Android.

Probably another six months before buying a new phone then...:hmm:
 
Provided its easy to keep a backup of your contacts on your own PC, which can easily be intergrated into my mail program, I don't really mind if you do it through bluetooth, a cable or through the cloud.
 
Crispy said:
Nah, it'll be outlook over the air too, just like the iphone.
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Ah right. Well I'm sure they'll sort it somehow. It's not an issue for me as I've my contacts uploaded to my Google account now (in prep for possibly getting an Android powered phone) so this would just draw them from that. ;)

I really love the way when you look at a contact with the new os/phone you see their details including whether they're online or not via various chat software and facebook. Very useful and cool! :cool:
 
Slight derail, but anyone know a good site for getting old palm os freeware.

I-ve dug my old clie out and fancy using it as a pda.
 
 
Laptop Mag have given it a hands on:

We had a brief chance today to go hands-on with the freshly announced Palm Pre, a touchscreen device with a full slide-out QWERTY keyboard, and we’re super impressed with what we’ve seen from Palm both in terms of the brand new OS and the hardware.

Its “card” user interface is beautifully executed. You can launch multiple windows–Palm says there isn’t a limit right now–and flip through them with ease. When you’re done interacting with one card, a simple swipe across the device’s soft and efficient touch screen closes the associated application...

We loved the video playback on the device, and as you’ll notice in the video that follows, the picture is crisp, colorful, and its clear that the device has enough hardware muscle to pump out fluid multimedia.

So what about the applications? Palm says new apps, created with HTML, CSS, and other Web scripts, will be available through a new store which should be named the App Catalog. Since its on Sprint, we assume you’ll also be able to download music through the Sprint Music Store.


So far, we’ve only seen one device that comes close to the touch screen on the iPhone, and that was the G1. The multitouch display on the Palm Pre is solid. It’s not chintzy like some of the iClones we saw spread like a virus throughout 2008.


Video preview:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-on-with-the-palm-pre-closest-device-to-an-iphone-yet
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I just realised the interface for multiple browser windows on the iphone is just like Cards, but palm does it so much better.
 
Crispy said:
I just realised the interface for multiple browser windows on the iphone is just like Cards, but palm does it so much better.
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The way it handles messaging is superb:
It's not just one or two "killer" features, or the phone's overall size, or even the way the handset gently curves so that it fits snugly against your ear while placing the microphone right near your lips. It's the entire package. From the hardware to the software and everything in between it's almost as if the people at Palm studied every smart phone on the market and improved upon every single one of them.

The new operating system, called the Palm webOS, seems to be able to integrate everything you use in a smart phone seamlessly. From email (Microsoft Outlook, POP3, IMAP, Gmail, Yahoo, AOL) to instant messaging, to Wi-Fi, GPS and EV-DO 3G connectivity, to eight gigabytes of built-in storage, to the replaceable battery, to calendars and contacts, to the way your fingers slide from one application to another, and slide them off the screen when you're done with them, the Pre brings a new sense of oneness to Palm's small, portable, personal cell phone/computer.

You had to see the demonstration to really understand what I'm trying to relay. In the best Apple style, a mesmerized audience watched and applauded as each new integrated feature was discussed and displayed.

Take messaging, for instance. On the Pre there's little difference between corporate email, personal email, SMS or instant messaging. They can all be displayed on one screen and when you answer the Pre will send your reply via the proper methodology. It's that kind of advanced thinking that makes Pre very special.
And I'm just scratching the surface. It took Palm more than an hour to present a very basic overview of what the new smart phone can do.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10456930/1/ces-palms-pre-is-one-heck-of-a-phone.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFI
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Awesome!
 
The biggest unknown is price, which went unmentioned during the demo. My assumption is that Palm would try to take market share by coming in significantly lower than the $200 or so Apple wants for its iPhone. But when I ran that theory by Palm CEO Ed Colligan, he looked at me liked I’d peed on his rug. “Why would we do that when we have a significantly better product,” he asked, then walked away.

Translation: Bargain hunters are going to be disappointed.
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http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/
 
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