Notice served and Dulwich Hamlet locked out of ground

[GregDHFC]

So do we only have Tonbridge as enemies now?

I don't much like Kingstonian.

I'm very excited to see that Google's suggested route to Tooting's ground involves a tram! Old school.

 

[B.I.G]

I don't much like Kingstonian.

I'm very excited to see that Google's suggested route to Tooting's ground involves a tram! Old school.

Even Kingstonian were wishing us well on their forum

 

[mx wcfc]

+Ok, its late, and I'm struggling a bit, But, there is some thing called "Assets of Community Value" which is helping pubs stay open, Can this help for DHFC?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I'm very excited to see that Google's suggested route to Tooting's ground involves a tram! Old school.

have fun

 

[EDC]

Random thoughts of little use, but you never know someone with more knowledge and understanding of these matters than me might find them useful.
I was watching the video on Twitter of one of our fans asking questions of Andrew McDaniel. Where he was standing made me think of a few things.
Was the fencing originally blocking access along that road ?
I thought the land along there was subject to some sort of restriction, giving access rights to the Council/The relevant Secretary of State ? Retained/Reserved (?) land.
Isn't the electricity substation part of some sort of very long term access rights arrangement ?
Also, is there a right of access to Greendale along that land 365 days a year ? Or is that via another route ?
The details were all done a long time ago but I recall thinking many years later, maybe because there was some work being done along there that involved a hole being dug to lay/repair pipes/cables, how difficult it would be to block off the whole area with all the potential rights of access. It didn't really matter then because no-one was going to object to repair work for cables/pipes. It's a long time ago and I may be getting things mixed up.
But they do seem to have taken the fencing down ?

I remember reading on the East Dulwich forum about the fencing going up a few weeks ago, people were saying it was to prevent the council accessing the plastic pitches for surveying or something like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if Meadow had it planned all along to prevent people climbing in as a protest which was being mentioned around the same time. Much of it has since been kicked over.

 

[JimW]

+Ok, its late, and I'm struggling a bit, But, there is some thing called "Assets of Community Value" which is helping pubs stay open, Can this help for DHFC?

Was going to suggest this, believe Torquay got one in place to keep their developer at bay, specifies sporting use too iirc

 

[Pink Panther]

Was going to suggest this, believe Torquay got one in place to keep their developer at bay, specifies sporting use too iirc

+Ok, its late, and I'm struggling a bit, But, there is some thing called "Assets of Community Value" which is helping pubs stay open, Can this help for DHFC?

No, it wouldn't help in our case. This was discussed elsewhere, it would simply cause a delay in the event of Meadow eventually selling the ground to someone with our best interests at heart .

 

[dcdulwich]

No, it wouldn't help in our case. This was discussed elsewhere, it would simply cause a delay in the event of Meadow eventually selling the ground to someone with our best interests at heart .

The Trust did obtain this status for the ground a number of years ago (it was later revoked on a technicality) but have not pursued a fresh application since. For the reason Pink Panther gives, it is not thought that it would be helpful at this time.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

ACV gives a registered group 6 months to come up with the funds for a purchase, if the owner decides to sell. We'd need to come up with millions - it's not really viable. And that's only if Meadow changed their stance.

It's not been that useful for pubs even really, although a small number have managed it, The Ivy being a great example.

 

[Harry R]

I don't much like Kingstonian.

I'm very excited to see that Google's suggested route to Tooting's ground involves a tram! Old school.

The trams are brilliant. Direct from East Croydon will probably be quickest for many, but they go as far as Wimbledon and Beckenham. There are also stops very close to Norwood Junction and Morden tube stations.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Maybe we should amalgamate the teams and become Tooting and Mitcham and Dulwich Hamlets FC

 

[alcopop]

Maybe we should amalgamate the teams and become Tooting and Mitcham and Dulwich Hamlets FC

THats not a bad idea!

 

[TopCat]

Welcome to Merton. It's nice 'round here.

 

[tonysingh]

Maybe we should amalgamate the teams and become Tooting and Mitcham and Dulwich Hamlets FC

THats not a bad idea!

I'd like to hear Mishi's take on this idea...

 

[EDC]

I'd like to hear Mishi's take on this idea...

The fact it says Hamlets will send Mishi’s blood pressure into orbit.

 

[magneze]

Could call the club "South Ham".

 

[1927]

Tooting and Mitchamlets FC!

 

[editor]

Maybe we should amalgamate the teams and become Tooting and Mitcham and Dulwich Hamlets FC

Let's try and attract a younger demographic ad call ourselves, Toot Da Hamz.

 

[ska invita]

Anyone have any info on the CPO activity of the council? when the next meeting might be, what the chances are etc etc

 

[Pink Panther]

Anyone have any info on the CPO activity of the council? when the next meeting might be, what the chances are etc etc

Southwark Council is due to discuss the CPO issue next Tuesday.

 

[Bill Azzi]

I think it would be difficult for Meadow to accept an offer from another company as things stand because even though they may double what they paid for the site, there is a great deal more profit for them if the site is developed. They wouldn’t want to sell the site and then see another developer make any profit.

Would one way around this be for Meadow to accept an offer from the council on the basis that if anything other than social housing is built, then Meadow get a percentage of profit from the non-social housing ? If the council did not develop the site then if ever the site were sold to developers then Meadow would get a percentage of that sale, or if it were not sold after say 125 years Meadow would be paid a percentage of its then market value. While that would be too long term for Meadow’s investors they could perhaps sell that right to an insurance company which could take on longer term investments. Also it kicks the problem 125 years down the road when housing /provision of sports grounds may not be any problem.

I would hope the site could then remain undeveloped in the ownership of the council and when the 125 years mark comes along it may be a very different world.

Meadow could then tell their investors they had doubled their money and that no-one will make money off of the site without them getting a cut.
The Council has secured the site for the long term and could charge Dulwich Hamlet a fair rent.
We get to stay on the existing site.

Only an idea, I’m sure others have better. I think we have to look at all possible ways out of this mess.

 

[editor]

I think it would be difficult for Meadow to accept an offer from another company as things stand because even though they may double what they paid for the site, there is a great deal more profit for them if the site is developed. They wouldn’t want to sell the site and then see another developer make any profit.

Would one way around this be for Meadow to accept an offer from the council on the basis that if anything other than social housing is built, then Meadow get a percentage of profit from the non-social housing ? If the council did not develop the site then if ever the site were sold to developers then Meadow would get a percentage of that sale, or if it were not sold after say 125 years Meadow would be paid a percentage of its then market value. While that would be too long term for Meadow’s investors they could perhaps sell that right to an insurance company which could take on longer term investments. Also it kicks the problem 125 years down the road when housing /provision of sports grounds may not be any problem.

I would hope the site could then remain undeveloped in the ownership of the council and when the 125 years mark comes along it may be a very different world.

Meadow could then tell their investors they had doubled their money and that no-one will make money off of the site without them getting a cut.
The Council has secured the site for the long term and could charge Dulwich Hamlet a fair rent.
We get to stay on the existing site.

Only an idea, I’m sure others have better. I think we have to look at all possible ways out of this mess.

A better deal would be for them to get the money back and a sound kicking in the pants as they leave Champion Hill forever.

 

[dcdulwich]

Southwark Council is due to discuss the CPO issue next Tuesday.

The land acquisition is on the Cabinet agenda for their meeting at 4pm. Basically, it was put on the Cabinet agenda in order that it could be approved.

There is reference in the agenda item to considering a CPO if an offer is refused. That additional step would need to go back to Cabinet for a formal decision. My judgement, fwiw, is that the Council will take any steps necessary. That is not to say that another bid might not be successful.

 

[Roger D]

If the council do a CPO they have to pay market rate. After that Meadow would have no claim to anything and given the state of their relationship with Southwark I can't see them offering Meadow anything. It might not even be legal to do so as it would involve public money.

The council plan seems to be flats on the car park and I guess a 3G pitch managed by DHFC, at a reasonable rent, with community usage.

If the council plans upset Meadows investors, frankly who cares. They are business men. They took a punt Southwark would hand over Green Dale's and accept a small % of low cost housing and that Sadiq Khan would ignore his electoral mandate not to permit building on MOL. They lost, they knew the risks. It's called capitalism which they are big fans of. They can't have it both ways.

 

[what]

Got yourselves in the metro, full page as well
Final third: Grounds for complaint

 

[Bill Azzi]

I should say I have never had any sympathy for Meadow's investors. Please don't anyone think that !

 

[magneze]

CPO for £1. Fuck Meadow.

 

[iamwithnail]

100% If southwark can bone the people that lived on the Heygate with the CPO prices, they can certainly (should, rather) do the same to a multinational development company that knew the risks when they started.

 

[scousedom]

We love tooting and micham
We love (ground share #2) too
They're fun!
We love tooting and micham
But meadow we hate you

May I suggest "Hendon and Leatherhead too. Cheers!!" as the second / third line?

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

For what it's worth...I am grateful to tooting for offering a temporary groundshare, a shrewd business deal for them.
As a ground, whisper it, it's one, if not the best in the division..and I've always said it's totally wasted on them!
It's also a ground that we have NEVER lost an Isthmian League match at!
But...with regard to Tuesday night: it's also one we've not won a cup semi-final at!