No weapons found following Culcheth shooting

[ViolentPanda]

The assumption that the Dead victim would be armed was a fairly reasonable assumption to made when planning the arrest.
large amounts of cash body armour cs gas not normal house contents

You'd probably find two out of the three (armour and CS) in every second squaddies digs, though!

 

[Idris2002]

a certain poster knows this to be a fact having left a very wet muddy cs gas covered NBC suit in the drying room of a nurses home.
que various fellow students getting gassed when going to collect laundry.
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no names no pack drill

You squaddies sure know how to party.

 

[butchersapron]

He's got a big ruck sack as well.

 

[likesfish]

You'd probably find two out of the three (armour and CS) in every second squaddies digs, though!

Tbf thats fairly true had all sort of dangerous junk about at one time or another a civillian

 

[butchersapron]

GM police Chief, Sir Peter Fahy, to be charged over alleged Health &Safety breach following shooting of unarmed Anthony Grainger. The copper who did the shooting is to face no charges.

 

[butchersapron]

CPS Statement:

Anthony Grainger, 36, was shot and killed by an officer of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) on 3 March 2012 during a planned operation to arrest a group of men on suspicion of conspiracy to commit armed robbery. Mr Grainger was not armed when he was fatally shot. An independent investigation was then undertaken into the actions of the officers involved in the planning, approval and conduct of the operation.

The Crown Prosecution Service has decided, after careful consideration of all the evidence in this case, that there is sufficient evidence to prove that Greater Manchester Police breached the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act by failing to ensure that unnecessary risk to the suspects was avoided. It is alleged that an unnecessary exposure to risk was caused by serious deficiencies in the preparation for the police operation.

 

[Anonymous1]

The copper who did the shooting is to face no charges.

Surprise surprise , chuck!

Prosecutors have decided that the marksman who killed Mr Grainger should not face charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office because a jury would be likely to accept that he believed his actions were necessary.

In other words, we think the jury would find the clicky clicky officer not guilty so we've just done away with process altogether.

No doubt the chief Constable will retire due to personal reasons on a healthy pension before it comes to trial and it'll quietly be swept under the carpet.

The BBC piece i quoted above also had this wee nugget tucked a bit down:

It later emerged that the unarmed father of two had earlier been wrongly suspected of stealing a memory stick containing the names of police informants.

Would be interesting to know if this info was used to wind up the armed squad sent out that day.It would Reinforce how bad these 'criminals' are then send them on their way tooled to the teeth and almost certain there's going to be "action".
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[TopCat]

So they don't even allege they saw a gun or believed he had one?

 

[brogdale]

There we go.....licence to kill....

The CPS said it considered charges of murder, gross negligence manslaughter or misconduct in public office. But after consideration by top lawyers, including the director of public prosecutions, Alison Saunders, the CPS decided a jury would most likely acquit the officer.

The CPS said: "Any prosecution for murder would require the CPS, amongst other elements, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that (a) the officer did not honestly believe it was necessary to use force and (b) that the force used was disproportionate in the circumstances as the officer believed them to be.

"In the circumstances of this case, our assessment of the evidence is that a jury would accept that the officer did believe his actions were necessary and that the level of force used in response to the threat as he perceived it to be was proportionate."

So we've all got that now, have we?

 

[D'wards]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?

Why all the furore over the Duggan shooting and this is virually unheard of amongst the general populace? I suppose its the victimisation black people feel they receive from the police and any incident is due to be scrutinised and reacted to.

 

[butchersapron]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?

Why all the furore over the Duggan shooting and this is virually unheard of amongst the general populace? I suppose its the victimisation black people feel they receive from the police and any incident is due to be scrutinised and reacted to.

You what?

 

[ddraig]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?

Why all the furore over the Duggan shooting and this is virually unheard of amongst the general populace? I suppose its the victimisation black people feel they receive from the police and any incident is due to be scrutinised and reacted to.

yeah! what?
are you answering your own question? can you explain what you mean at all please?
do you think that 'black people' are not victimised by the police?

 

[ddraig]

they deny the charges http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26117198

 

[ViolentPanda]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?

Why all the furore over the Duggan shooting and this is virually unheard of amongst the general populace? I suppose its the victimisation black people feel they receive from the police and any incident is due to be scrutinised and reacted to.

"Feel they receive"? I know you're an idiot, but that's stupider than fuck, even for you! We've got nigh-on three quarters of a century of actual recorded history showing that in the UK many black people are victimised by the police, and you're mumbling about how they "feel" they're victimised?

Fuckwitted dog-molester!

 

[Boppity]

This was practically on my doorstep, how did I not know about this?!

 

[Boppity]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?

Why all the furore over the Duggan shooting and this is virually unheard of amongst the general populace? I suppose its the victimisation black people feel they receive from the police and any incident is due to be scrutinised and reacted to.

Oh dear lord in heaven please be trolling.

 

[butchersapron]

they deny the charges http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26117198

Read very closely who is denying the charges and why.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh dear lord in heaven please be trolling.

no, he genuinely is that crap.

 

[butchersapron]

The Crown Prosecution Service has said the marksman who killed Mr Grainger should not face charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office because a jury would be likely to accept he believed his actions were necessary.

Did they lie?

 

[ddraig]

Read very closely who is denying the charges and why.

because of this?

Prosecutor Karen Robinson argued a crown court was the appropriate venue for the trial to be heard.

 

[treelover]

You'd probably find two out of the three (armour and CS) in every second squaddies digs, though!

good for fancy dress in civvy st as well

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

What's the difference, practically, between this case and the Duggan case?/quote]

While your given supposition has had the going over it deserves, I'll give two possibly contributing factors:

1) After the ballsed up family liason (not the Duggan shooting itself) there were riots. Then there were more riots. They were in the mainstream news and all over social media. Do you remember them now?

2) The Duggan shooting happened in London, which is a special place to the media because they tend to live there, know what the house prices are and important stuff like that. Grainger was shot in a place called "The North", whatever one of those is.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

GM police Chief, Sir Peter Fahy, to be charged over alleged Health &Safety breach following shooting of unarmed Anthony Grainger.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30848168

Sir Peter Fahy, chief constable of Greater Manchester Police, will not be prosecuted over one of his officers shooting dead an unarmed suspect after the case against him was dropped. At Liverpool Crown Court, no evidence was offered against the force.

 

[butchersapron]

Seems that Judge ordered disclosure of docs certain people didn't want seen so prosecution sabotaged trial and offered no evidence. That's just a quick scan of those i trust on this though. Sure there'll be more later.

 

[butchersapron]

Guardian northern editor reckons she's on the case of what these docs the cps didn't want in public and writing up now. Could just be a simple judge/cps stitch.

 

[William of Walworth]

How the hell I missed this thread and even this case, back in 2012, is beyond me. On reading about for the first time (didn't even realise the thread was old ) I'v not much to add to other peoples' reactions -- stinks to high heaven the whole thing.

At least there might now be a proper Guardian report (and others?) if the above is right. If there was one the first time around I missed it completely.

 

[DaveCinzano]

‘Okay guys, it's all done and dusted, nothing to see here, you can all go home now...’

Steven Heywood, the [Greater Manchester Police] force’s former assistant chief constable, was due to face misconduct proceedings this week over evidence he gave to Judge Thomas Teague QC’s inquiry into Grainger’s death.

However, the charges were dropped on Tuesday after GMP said it would offer no evidence against him.

The force’s barrister, Gerry Boyle QC, told the hearing, which took place over video-link, that it would be “unfair” to continue as it would not have access to redacted material, including evidence given during closed session at the public inquiry in 2017...

...Heywood, who retired in 2018 following criticism of his evidence, admitted that he did not initially tell the inquiry that entries in his firearms log were made retrospectively.

The log, which contained inaccurate information about Grainger’s previous convictions, was alleged to have been made to “retrospectively justify” Heywood’s decision to authorise a firearms operation carried out in the days leading up to the father-of-two’s death.

Anthony Grainger: police misconduct case over shooting collapses

Charges dropped against former GMP assistant chief constable Steven Heywood

www.theguardian.com

 

[William of Walworth]

That's an utter disgrace
Especially considering how thoroughly Greater Manchester Police were condemned at the previous (judge-led) public enquiry
Report of the 2019 public enquiry here.

 

[teqniq]

They (GMP) are taking the piss.

 

[Sasaferrato]

a certain poster knows this to be a fact having left a very wet muddy cs gas covered NBC suit in the drying room of a nurses home.
que various fellow students getting gassed when going to collect laundry.
;0
no names no pack drill

Twelve people in the chamber on a wet day. Twelve sets of combats giving off CS fumes. Room evacuated sharpish.