Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Down from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood. Good idea?
New drink drive limit in Scotland from Dec 5th
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Nah, typical Nazi-ish SNP and another reason why I won't vote for them.
"around one in 10 deaths on Scotland’s roads involve drivers who are over the legal limit." (from The Guardian)
So what behaviour causes the other nine deaths and how many deaths are attributable to drivers under the current limit? I suspect most accidents are caused by people who are tired behind the wheel (because they're going to work early or travelling home late from work), but that's okay because it's necessary to keep the economy going.
However, go out to, say, a rural pub and have a glass of wine or pint of beer with your dinner and be afraid, be very afraid. Also, more chance of getting caught unsuspectingly the next morning.
I'm not for pissed people behind the wheel, but there ought to be some science, evidence and consistency behind laws.
"around one in 10 deaths on Scotland’s roads involve drivers who are over the legal limit." (from The Guardian)
So what behaviour causes the other nine deaths and how many deaths are attributable to drivers under the current limit? I suspect most accidents are caused by people who are tired behind the wheel (because they're going to work early or travelling home late from work), but that's okay because it's necessary to keep the economy going.
However, go out to, say, a rural pub and have a glass of wine or pint of beer with your dinner and be afraid, be very afraid. Also, more chance of getting caught unsuspectingly the next morning.
I'm not for pissed people behind the wheel, but there ought to be some science, evidence and consistency behind laws.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
This is the main reason I'm against it.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Just wait until the new nationwide drug driving laws come in: limits on paper which no drug user will ever make sense of, just a good way to scare people into not using drugs because some can be detected in your system for days/weeks afterwards without actually having any effect.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
And of course it will hit those who smoke weed the hardest. Crazy. I hardly do anything anymore (including smoke) and that could proper fuck me.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
My employer has just brought in random testing with limits so low anyone taking solpadiene for a headache or a couple of doses of benydril will get caught for opiates.
Drink driving, there's no excuse for that though. Ever.
Drink driving, there's no excuse for that though. Ever.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
I'm fine with it. I'm assuming they've left it at 50mg rather than 0 to give a little bit of morning-after leeway but really, if you know you're going to be driving at 7-8am, don't drink the night before. It's not that much of a massive denial of rights
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I'm fine with it. I'm assuming they've left it at 50mg rather than 0 to give a little bit of morning-after leeway but really, if you know you're going to be driving at 7-8am, don't drink the night before. It's not that much of a massive denial of rights
It's a bit of a ball ache though. It's not like 80mg is a huge amount of booze. We're talking about having a very quiet night at the pub and being over limit not a heavy session.
I don't think requiring drivers to be pretty sober is a hallmark of Nazi-ism, really.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I'd be fucked if they did drug tests at work - given that I must have a fairly constant level of codeine in my blood.
I agree with the limit being reduced - a good decision, and one I'd like to see replicated throughout the UK. Ideally it should be zero or as close to it as possible.
They were quite keen on trains, weren't they?
Anyway, I've no problem with the new limit. If you're driving early then don't go on the lash the night before. Problem solved.
Bonfirelight
Crocodile
it's a tough one, because on one side you've got the safety of the general public along with all of the evidence that shows how judgement becomes impaired and reaction times reduced etc, and on the other side you've got fucking idiots.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I wouldn't go out just to drink and then drive home, but I really don't see the problem with having a pint of beer or a couple of small glasses of wine over a leisurely dinner or lunch, then driving. Of course, if I felt tipsy at all after this, I'd wait longer.
bi0boy
Power User
So if you are over the limit "unsuspectingly the morning after" a massive booze binge, you are more able to drive than if you are equally over the limit by having a a drink or two and driving straight after?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Except it's not a massive booze binge. Alcohol can be quite slow to metabolize. I think the current limit is about right. It's not actually that high. You say a drink or two, for most people that's already to much as it currently stands.
Apart from the fact that your judgement and reactions would be impaired while you're in control of a very heavy moving object, presumably?
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