Neil Young (and the Spotify/Joe Rogan controversy)
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maomao
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I've already started on Neil Young but am running into problems because of the sheer amount of recorded material. After the Goldrush and Harvest are boring af and I can't even get to the end of them but Zuma and Ragged Glory are amazing and I'd love to find another half dozen albums like that. How do I find the grungy gold without having to sit through the twee acoustic nonsense?
Sasaferrato
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danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Generally, look for "Crazy Horse" in the accreditation.
I think you might like: Rust Never Sleeps, Sleeps With Angels, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Le Noise, and Mirror Ball.
BassJunkie
Clams on the half shell, and roller skates.
If you enjoy Zuma I imagine you would also love On The Beach and Tonight's The Night.
He's still producing some great tunes such as this, which at less than 17 minutes long is too short, and the story telling is like a short story:
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maomao
普費斯
I'm enjoying Weld from an earlier recommendation on the thread at the moment. I'm loving the big dirty guitar sound he developed later on. Zuma seems to be a bit of an exception.
BassJunkie
Clams on the half shell, and roller skates.
Weld to my mind is like part 2 of Live Rust (from 12 years earlier). The (electric) version of Hey Hey My My on Live Rust is one of the finest examples of the sound of valve amplifiers melting. It's filthy as fuck.
Athos
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The Neil Young Archives are the best place to explore.
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Try the CH stuff: Live Rust, Rust Never Sleeps, Weld, etc.
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maomao
普費斯
I'm enjoying this a lot. Nice version of Cortez too.
not-bono-ever
meh
No weld. Please
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I see Neil has told Spotify to take down his music if they won't take down Joe Rogan's podcast. Well played sir.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The older and grumpier he gets the better he gets
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Really enjoyed that, thanks.
The new stuff with the changed horse line-up has got some right good vibe going on. Bringing Nils bag into the fold has pumped some real thump into the latest stuff. Barn on vinyl is sweet.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The older and grumpier he gets the better he gets
When I remarked that I had turned into a grumpy old man, I was informed it was merely a transition from being a grumpy young man.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
he might be backtracking? 
The letter was addressed to his manager and an executive at his record label, Rolling Stone reported. It no longer appeared on the website on Tuesday morning.
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The letter was addressed to his manager and an executive at his record label, Rolling Stone reported. It no longer appeared on the website on Tuesday morning.
Neil Young posts and removes a letter demanding Spotify remove his music.
“They can have Rogan or Young,” Neil Young wrote to his management team and record label in a letter that he has since removed from his website, according to Rolling Stone. “Not both.”
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Maybe not but he can at least make a few Spotify users have a think about whether they're happy to be paying Joe Rogan's wages.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I’m sure Spotify are having to think really hard about choosing between an old rock star who has spent years slagging them off and gets around 8 million streams a month, over the worlds biggest podcast star who gets 11 million per show and does 3 or 4 of them every week.
what's happened here is Young has posted something rash in haste & anger, then been reminded of his contractual obligations to the guys who just paid him hundreds of millions of pounds for the rights to his back catalogue, and quickly deleted. I doubt it'll have much of an impact on Spotify's subscribers, but who knows?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well I suppose if someone gave a fuck about ethics they wouldn't use Spotify in the first place so maybe you're right.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I've always had you down as 'a bit Neil' Sas. It was the stamp thing that lead me to think your Cadillac potentially had a wheel in the ditch and a wheel on the track
Bit like Neil's train thing.
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I dunno about this, it's the platform that are lacking in ethics, not the users - but all the platforms are so opting out is difficult. I don't use spotify for music, but I use youtube, amazon and google for other things and they're all just as bad or worse.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I do love Neil Young, I have a record and bootleg collection of Young's that would take me years to listen to if I listened to them back to back.
There's no getting sway from the fact that he's a hard person to deal with though because of his autistic like obsessiveness for what he wants to achieve through his art.
I've always admired that in him, and as an artist in the true sense of the word he is involved in every aspect of his art and not just his music. For him, where is art is played is just as important as Tracey Emin saying "you can get my Neon off the wall whilst these cocks are in Downing Street please". It's about trying to dissociate your art from what is going on around it really. I'd definitely liken it to that. It doesn't mean it had to happen. He sold the rights, she gave Downing Street the work but they both know they still have an attachment to something that they created and within that a voice of discord about it's promotion whilst they are still alive.
Even if he couldn't change the Spotify situation it wouldn't stop him spouting off about it but knowing Neil he'd also potentially spend his last dime on making sure it happened if he hadn't at least, in some way, gotten his own way. He kinda has a fan base that expects this sort of stuff from him as well so it's all part of the art. He's also not going away and he has form for fucking about with the powers that be in the record industry. He's definitely aligned with the realms of curmudgeoness if there ever was a word.
Even David Crosby referred to him as the most selfish person he knows recently.
It's kinda why a lot of his fans stay on for the ride though becuase even if it looks like he's dropped a clanger it'll still be fun watching what happens.
To be honest though given his nerdishness for sound quality and his weird obsessiveness with lossless formats which have included his ventures into production and promoting his own Pono-FLAC devices I've never actually understood why he finally folded on the Spotify licensing anyway. It's not like he needs the dosh, but then again he does have a few legacy projects that would, like The Bridge School
I'm pretty sure he'll have some sort of kickback going on though. It wont be as simple as him Fuckin-UP he's too obsessive about his art for that.
He'll blame his management and screw them to the wall first about his artistic agreements with them when they told him this deal would be great for his art music.
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There's no getting sway from the fact that he's a hard person to deal with though because of his autistic like obsessiveness for what he wants to achieve through his art.
I've always admired that in him, and as an artist in the true sense of the word he is involved in every aspect of his art and not just his music. For him, where is art is played is just as important as Tracey Emin saying "you can get my Neon off the wall whilst these cocks are in Downing Street please". It's about trying to dissociate your art from what is going on around it really. I'd definitely liken it to that. It doesn't mean it had to happen. He sold the rights, she gave Downing Street the work but they both know they still have an attachment to something that they created and within that a voice of discord about it's promotion whilst they are still alive.
Even if he couldn't change the Spotify situation it wouldn't stop him spouting off about it but knowing Neil he'd also potentially spend his last dime on making sure it happened if he hadn't at least, in some way, gotten his own way. He kinda has a fan base that expects this sort of stuff from him as well so it's all part of the art. He's also not going away and he has form for fucking about with the powers that be in the record industry. He's definitely aligned with the realms of curmudgeoness if there ever was a word.
Even David Crosby referred to him as the most selfish person he knows recently.
It's kinda why a lot of his fans stay on for the ride though becuase even if it looks like he's dropped a clanger it'll still be fun watching what happens.
To be honest though given his nerdishness for sound quality and his weird obsessiveness with lossless formats which have included his ventures into production and promoting his own Pono-FLAC devices I've never actually understood why he finally folded on the Spotify licensing anyway. It's not like he needs the dosh, but then again he does have a few legacy projects that would, like The Bridge School
I'm pretty sure he'll have some sort of kickback going on though. It wont be as simple as him Fuckin-UP he's too obsessive about his art for that.
He'll blame his management and screw them to the wall first about his artistic agreements with them when they told him this deal would be great for his
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