Musical genres

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How many musical genres are there, how many have you listened to. Growing up, there must have been a dozen or so and now there must be thousands.
I have just bought a Svalbard album and in their description they are described as behind "crust punk" amongst other things.
"Svalbard's sound has been primarily been described as post-hardcore and post-metal, as well as hardcore punk, crust punk, D-beat, melodic hardcore, black metal, "blackened hardcore" and post-rock."

 

[Silas Loom]

Is crust punk as in crusty? I remember when crusty dub was a useful term.

 

[klang]

There were thousands when you were growing up too.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Country AND Western.

 

[Santino]

I can think of over five.

 

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Is crust punk as in crusty? I remember when crusty dub was a useful term.

What is crust punk; punk played by crusties?
Who knew.

 

[ska invita]

Good music and shit music

 

[danny la rouge]

It’s like missing links: finding one creates two more.

 

[danski]

Every new piece of music creates a new reference point.

 

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"crust punk" from Wikipedia
"Crust punk, often simply called crust, is a form of music influenced by anarcho-punk, hardcore punk and extreme metal.[58] The style, which evolved in the mid-1980s in England, often has songs with dark and pessimistic lyrics that linger on political and social ills. The term "crust" was coined by Hellbastard on their 1986 Ripper Crust demo.[59]

Crust is partly defined by its "bassy" and "dirty" sound. It is often played at a fast tempo with occasional slow sections. Vocals are usually guttural and may be growled or screamed. Crust punk takes cues from the anarcho-punk aspect of Crass and Discharge,[58] and the extreme metal of bands like Venom and Celtic Frost.[58][60] Notable crust punk bands include Amebix, Antisect and Doom. "

 

[Spandex]

Growing up, there must have been a dozen or so

I don't know when you grew up, but in 1970 you could've bought 10 or more records released in each of these genres:

Soul
Pop rock
Psychedelic Rock
Country
Chanson
Folk rock
Folk
Blues rock
Easy listening
Funk
Schlager
Prog rock
Ballad
Hard rock
Rhythm & blues
Country rock
Reggae
Gospel
Classical
Soul-jazz
Garage rock
Jazz rock
Baroque
Jazz-funk
Big band
Kayōkyoku
Latin Jazz
Laïkó
Bolero
Opera
MPB
Free jazz
Musical
Hard Bop
Cumbia
Bossa nova
Bluegrass
Bollywood
Rhumba
Contemporary jazz
Flamenco
Rocksteady
Choral
Art rock
Surf
Post Bop
Electric blues
Tango
Polka
Celtic
Southern rock
Volksmusik
Lounge
Dixieland
Cha cha
Guaguancó
Rockabilly
Bop
Mod
Guaracha
Modal
Symphonic rock
Ranchera
Chicago blues
Light music
Bubblegum
Renaissance
Power pop
Krautrock
Boogaloo
Country Blues
Cool jazz
Marches
Europop
Afro-cuban
Brass band
Ska
Enka
Fado
Modern classical
Impressionist
Indian classical
Nursery rhymes
Free improvisation
Avant garde jazz
Énteckhno
Mambo
Mariachi
Bakersfield sound
Glam
Descarga
Nueva cancion
Ragtime
Calypso
Mandopop
Space age
Merengue
Smooth jazz
Abstract
Bayou funk
Neo classical
Operetta
Son
Pacific
Honky tonk
Organ
Min'yō
Military
Doo wop
Music hall
Musique Concrete
Nordic
Canzone Napoletana
Delta blues
Guajira
Piano blues
Harmonica blues
Medieval
Andante music
Ye Ye
Música criolla
Nortēno
Forró
Romani
Texas blues
Copla
Sunshine pop
Vallenato
Corridor
Space rock
Porro
Hawaiian
Quecha
Catalan music
Tejano
Gypsy jazz
Highlife
Oratorio
Liscio
Huayno
Skiffle
Pachanga
Swamp pop
Nhac vàng
Danzon
Levenslied
K-rock
Pipe & drum
Chinese classical
Kolo
Charanga
Pasodoble
Batacuda
Beguine
Hillbilly
Rock opera
Zamba
Carnatic
Plena
Memphis blues
Soca
Basque music
Keroncong
Minimal
Appalachion music
Soukous
Steel band
Baiao
Sea shanties
Zarzuela
Ghazal
Qawwali
Aboriginal
Chacarera
Hokkien pop
Trove
Western swing
Choro
Exotica
Gaita
Horror rock
Junkanoo
Chamamé
Samba-cançao
Sonorous
Go go
Jota
Musette
Spirituals
Barber shop
Bomva
Cabaret
Early music
Gusle
Seresta
Zydeco
Gagaku
Néo kyma
Nepzene
Twist
Bhangra
Galacian traditional
Guarania
Sertanejo
Cape jazz
Tamil film music

 

[souljacker]

Country AND Western.

Drum AND bass

 

[klang]

I always said dub was short for drum und bass.

 

[Spandex]

Genres facilitate discussion of music. Imagine if there were no genres, just music:

~ I like music
~ So do I!
~ Check this out then! [Plays the new Slift album]
~ Jesusfuckingchrist! Make it stop! Have you got any Wet Wet Wet?

 

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I don't know when you grew up, but in 1970 you could've bought 10 or more records released in each of these genres:

Soul
Pop rock
Psychedelic Rock
Country
Chanson
Folk rock
Folk
Blues rock
Easy listening
Funk
Schlager
Prog rock
Ballad
Hard rock
Rhythm & blues
Country rock
Reggae
Gospel
Classical
Soul-jazz
Garage rock
Jazz rock
Baroque
Jazz-funk
Big band
Kayōkyoku
Latin Jazz
Laïkó
Bolero
Opera
MPB
Free jazz
Musical
Hard Bop
Cumbia
Bossa nova
Bluegrass
Bollywood
Rhumba
Contemporary jazz
Flamenco
Rocksteady
Choral
Art rock
Surf
Post Bop
Electric blues
Tango
Polka
Celtic
Southern rock
Volksmusik
Lounge
Dixieland
Cha cha
Guaguancó
Rockabilly
Bop
Mod
Guaracha
Modal
Symphonic rock
Ranchera
Chicago blues
Light music
Bubblegum
Renaissance
Power pop
Krautrock
Boogaloo
Country Blues
Cool jazz
Marches
Europop
Afro-cuban
Brass band
Ska
Enka
Fado
Modern classical
Impressionist
Indian classical
Nursery rhymes
Free improvisation
Avant garde jazz
Énteckhno
Mambo
Mariachi
Bakersfield sound
Glam
Descarga
Nueva cancion
Ragtime
Calypso
Mandopop
Space age
Merengue
Smooth jazz
Abstract
Bayou funk
Neo classical
Operetta
Son
Pacific
Honky tonk
Organ
Min'yō
Military
Doo wop
Music hall
Musique Concrete
Nordic
Canzone Napoletana
Delta blues
Guajira
Piano blues
Harmonica blues
Medieval
Andante music
Ye Ye
Música criolla
Nortēno
Forró
Romani
Texas blues
Copla
Sunshine pop
Vallenato
Corridor
Space rock
Porro
Hawaiian
Quecha
Catalan music
Tejano
Gypsy jazz
Highlife
Oratorio
Liscio
Huayno
Skiffle
Pachanga
Swamp pop
Nhac vàng
Danzon
Levenslied
K-rock
Pipe & drum
Chinese classical
Kolo
Charanga
Pasodoble
Batacuda
Beguine
Hillbilly
Rock opera
Zamba
Carnatic
Plena
Memphis blues
Soca
Basque music
Keroncong
Minimal
Appalachion music
Soukous
Steel band
Baiao
Sea shanties
Zarzuela
Ghazal
Qawwali
Aboriginal
Chacarera
Hokkien pop
Trove
Western swing
Choro
Exotica
Gaita
Horror rock
Junkanoo
Chamamé
Samba-cançao
Sonorous
Go go
Jota
Musette
Spirituals
Barber shop
Bomva
Cabaret
Early music
Gusle
Seresta
Zydeco
Gagaku
Néo kyma
Nepzene
Twist
Bhangra
Galacian traditional
Guarania
Sertanejo
Cape jazz
Tamil film music

In the '70s. I would have heard of maybe 2% of those.

 

[hitmouse]

OK, but can anyone explain the difference between käng and mangel?

I remember the wikipedia box for death metal fusion genres being quite fun:

Especially deathrash, which sounds like something you shoud really see a doctor about.

Also, I reckon that genre boundaries are often about things like when an album was made, how the band dress or their hairstyles, who they're friends with, what venues they play etc etc as much as if not more than about the actual music. Certainly true if you look at things like which bands get described as postpunk vs indie rock or hardcore or just plain punk, and I'm sure for many others as well.

 

[RevolutionSound]

Isn't crust punk just the American term for anarcho-punk?

 

[hitmouse]

Isn't crust punk just the American term for anarcho-punk?

I was just thinking of anarcho-punk as an example of how messy/not based around music the ideas of genres can be, along with riot grrl. Were Conflict, Poison Girls and Hagar the Womb actually that musically similar? Let alone Rudi Peni, if we're counting them?

And I'd say not really, although thinking about it I can see how Aus-Rotten could definitely qualify as both anarcho and crust.

 

[Spandex]

Also, I reckon that genre boundaries are often about things like when an album was made, how the band dress or their hairstyles, who they're friends with, what venues they play etc etc as much as if not more than about the actual music. Certainly true if you look at things like which bands get described as postpunk vs indie rock or hardcore or just plain punk, and I'm sure for many others as well.

This is definitely true when it comes to the myriad of sub-genres, which are all about the narcissism of small difference. Is Deathcore really so different from Deathgrind that it's a separate genre? If you're deep into it, the answer is probably a furious yes.

But on the other hand, if you play Oompah on your tuba, it doesn't matter how you dress, where you play or what label puts out your music, you ain't Rockabilly.

 

[mojo pixy]

Country AND Western.

Drum AND bass

rhythm AND blues

 

[ska invita]

bump AND grind

 

[RevolutionSound]

I was just thinking of anarcho-punk as an example of how messy/not based around music the ideas of genres can be, along with riot grrl. Were Conflict, Poison Girls and Hagar the Womb actually that musically similar? Let alone Rudi Peni, if we're counting them?

And I'd say not really, although thinking about it I can see how Aus-Rotten could definitely qualify as both anarcho and crust.

I'm only really familiar with Conflict and Crass. Its not a genre I'm particularly into tbh. I regard Crass as liberals rather than anarchists anyway!

 

[RevolutionSound]

rhythm AND blues

I listen to both types of music. Acid and house.

 

[mojo pixy]

You've got yer heavy, right, and then you've got yer metal, right, and then

oh no that'll do

 

[Kaka Tim]

I don't know when you grew up, but in 1970 you could've bought 10 or more records released in each of these genres:

Soul
Pop rock
Psychedelic Rock
Country
Chanson
Folk rock
Folk
Blues rock
Easy listening
Funk
Schlager
Prog rock
Ballad
Hard rock
Rhythm & blues
Country rock
Reggae
Gospel
Classical
Soul-jazz
Garage rock
Jazz rock
Baroque
Jazz-funk
Big band
Kayōkyoku
Latin Jazz
Laïkó
Bolero
Opera
MPB
Free jazz
Musical
Hard Bop
Cumbia
Bossa nova
Bluegrass
Bollywood
Rhumba
Contemporary jazz
Flamenco
Rocksteady
Choral
Art rock
Surf
Post Bop
Electric blues
Tango
Polka
Celtic
Southern rock
Volksmusik
Lounge
Dixieland
Cha cha
Guaguancó
Rockabilly
Bop
Mod
Guaracha
Modal
Symphonic rock
Ranchera
Chicago blues
Light music
Bubblegum
Renaissance
Power pop
Krautrock
Boogaloo
Country Blues
Cool jazz
Marches
Europop
Afro-cuban
Brass band
Ska
Enka
Fado
Modern classical
Impressionist
Indian classical
Nursery rhymes
Free improvisation
Avant garde jazz
Énteckhno
Mambo
Mariachi
Bakersfield sound
Glam
Descarga
Nueva cancion
Ragtime
Calypso
Mandopop
Space age
Merengue
Smooth jazz
Abstract
Bayou funk
Neo classical
Operetta
Son
Pacific
Honky tonk
Organ
Min'yō
Military
Doo wop
Music hall
Musique Concrete
Nordic
Canzone Napoletana
Delta blues
Guajira
Piano blues
Harmonica blues
Medieval
Andante music
Ye Ye
Música criolla
Nortēno
Forró
Romani
Texas blues
Copla
Sunshine pop
Vallenato
Corridor
Space rock
Porro
Hawaiian
Quecha
Catalan music
Tejano
Gypsy jazz
Highlife
Oratorio
Liscio
Huayno
Skiffle
Pachanga
Swamp pop
Nhac vàng
Danzon
Levenslied
K-rock
Pipe & drum
Chinese classical
Kolo
Charanga
Pasodoble
Batacuda
Beguine
Hillbilly
Rock opera
Zamba
Carnatic
Plena
Memphis blues
Soca
Basque music
Keroncong
Minimal
Appalachion music
Soukous
Steel band
Baiao
Sea shanties
Zarzuela
Ghazal
Qawwali
Aboriginal
Chacarera
Hokkien pop
Trove
Western swing
Choro
Exotica
Gaita
Horror rock
Junkanoo
Chamamé
Samba-cançao
Sonorous
Go go
Jota
Musette
Spirituals
Barber shop
Bomva
Cabaret
Early music
Gusle
Seresta
Zydeco
Gagaku
Néo kyma
Nepzene
Twist
Bhangra
Galacian traditional
Guarania
Sertanejo
Cape jazz
Tamil film music

do you have salt and vinegar?

 

[Spandex]

do you have salt and vinegar?

Salt & Vinegar wasn't around until '79:

 

[danny la rouge]

do you have salt and vinegar?

Salt and sauce?

 

[kalidarkone]

Musicmap | The Genealogy and History of Popular Music Genres

Musicmap provides the ultimate genealogy of all popular music genres and combines any information regarding music genres, such as their relations, sociology, history and music examples, in one dynamic map, serving as both an educational tool and a framework for music databases.

m.musicmap.info

 

[SpookyFrank]

Canzone Napoletana

Did you think nobody would notice that you'd smuggled the name of a pizza into your list?

 

[Spandex]

Did you think nobody would notice that you'd smuggled the name of a pizza into your list?

Fucksake Frank, Italian culture extends past pizza. Canzone is Italian for song.

Canzone Napoletana

But since you bring up pizza have a random pizza fact: pizzas existed in ancient Rome, but tomatoes didn't find their way to Italy until about the 1540s.