Matrix’s PowerWatch 2 needs no charger, uses body heat and solar power

[editor]

I didn't call you a proper cunt. I said you're being a proper cunt to me
I gave my opinion on the watch, and you replied with a smartarse answer.
And you've been a tech journalist Vs my electronic engineering background... Lol

Are you still sticking to your original claim that all tech reviewers who get free products are "paid shills"?

Here's your own comments:

People who get free tech and make money from reviewing it are by default paid shills

 

[8ball]

I doubt it. The opposing heastink isn't sufficiently substantial.

I'm guessing the low power requirements will be key to it working.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Are you still sticking to your original claim that all tech reviewers who get free products are "paid shills"?

Here's your own comments:

Yes, all of the ones who make money from reviewing the free products, whether that be direct payment or via ads on their website/YouTube, etc. It's impossible not to be biased when the free products are making you money.

 

[editor]

I'm guessing the low power requirements will be key to it working.

Saul says it won't work, despite the reviews.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Saul says it won't work, despite the reviews.

No, I said I'm calling bullshit. I don't believe it will work without exposure to sunlight, and who exposes their watch to sunlight for more than the time it takes to look at it?

 

[editor]

Yes, all of the ones who make money from reviewing the free products, whether that be direct payment or via ads on their website/YouTube, etc. It's impossible not to be biased when the free products are making you money.

Then I can tell you - from my own personal experience of writing for a mainstream tech magazine from an international publisher and smaller, ad-supported tech sites - that you are totally wrong.

Sure there's some who will write any old shit in return for a freebie, but there are plenty of decent journalists who give an honest and thorough verdict of the gear they're reviewing, and your attempts to discredit them from a position of sheer ignorance is rather embarrassing.

 

[8ball]

No, I said I'm calling bullshit. I don't believe it will work without exposure to sunlight, and who exposes their watch to sunlight for more than the time it takes to look at it?

From the look of that, it might be hard to get your shirt sleeve over it, and internal lighting will do for this kind of cell.
I can't comment on the peltier thing and how much energy it might yield relative to the solar cell.

 

[editor]

No, I said I'm calling bullshit. I don't believe it will work without exposure to sunlight, and who exposes their watch to sunlight for more than the time it takes to look at it?

Except it's not solely powered by solar, so what the fuck are you going on about? Your point makes no sense at all.

Matrix made sure of it by adding a secondary charging system: a solar strip in a ring along the outer edge of the display. The company assured me this addition is redundant, since not one of the original PowerWatch’s users complained that the thermodynamic generator didn’t keep the watch going.

Matrix PowerWatch 2 hands on review | TechRadar

 

[Saul Goodman]

Except it's not solely powered by solar, so what the fuck are you going on about? Your point makes no sense at all.

Calm down, dear. I never said it was. We've been discussing the peltier charging since the start of the thread, FFS

 

[editor]

Calm down, dear. I never said it was. We've been discussing the peltier charging since the start of the thread, FFS

Solar is the secondary back up power solution. So what is "bullshit" exactly? What "won't work"?

 

[Saul Goodman]

If the thermal (peltier) charging was sufficient to keep it charged, why would it need the solar addition? If it does need both the peltier and the solar, and you keep the monstrosity covered (as I said at the start of the thread) then how will it charge sufficiently to keep it running?

 

[editor]

If the thermal (peltier) charging was sufficient to keep it charged, why would it need the solar addition? If it does need both the peltier and the solar, and you keep the monstrosity covered (as I said at the start of the thread) then how will it charge sufficiently to keep it running?

Did many people complain about the original watch running out of power?
Be sure to report back with your findings.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Did many people complain about the original watch running out of power?
Be sure to report back with your findings.

So this is the way you work if anyone questions anything you post? Instead of actually thinking about what was said, you attack the poster, then give them a warning for daring to question the tech?
You're some piece of work.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Speaking of watches that run on solar power etc.
I really like this....sundial watch.

 

[8ball]

Speaking of watches that run on solar power etc.
I really like this....sundial watch.

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Doubles as a weapon.

 

[8ball]

If the thermal (peltier) charging was sufficient to keep it charged, why would it need the solar addition? If it does need both the peltier and the solar, and you keep the monstrosity covered (as I said at the start of the thread) then how will it charge sufficiently to keep it running?

Wouldn't this be based on a Seebeck rather than Peltier effect, anyway?

</uber possibly-wrong pedantry>

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Doubles as a weapon.

And no need for gps...what with the compass.
It be all the rage when the world implodes and we are all sent back to the stone age....and the poles flip....then it'll be a case of going round in circles for a while until everything settles down.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Wouldn't this be based on a Seebeck rather than Peltier effect, anyway?

They're the same thing. You can either apply electricity and use it as a heat pump or apply heat and use it to generate electricity.

 

[8ball]

They're the same thing. You can either apply electricity and use it as a heat pump or apply heat and use it to generate electricity.

Yep, but the Peltier bit is the former and the Seebeck the latter, no?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Yep, but the Peltier bit is the former and the Seebeck the latter, no?

Correct, but it's a peltier module that does the work

 

[Saul Goodman]

It works on the same principal as this.

 

[editor]

So this is the way you work if anyone questions anything you post? Instead of actually thinking about what was said, you attack the poster, then give them a warning for daring to question the tech?
You're some piece of work.

I'm asking you to do some research to back up your claims that the watch is "bullshit" and "won't work." Can you do that please?

 

[8ball]

I'm asking you to do some research to back up your claims that the watch is "bullshit" and "won't work." Can you do that please?

Even though the watch is pretty big, it’s very small for something that generates power using this effect.

I’d guess Saul is thinking there isn’t an obvious outlet for sufficient heat, and I’m guessing they’ve done something clever with both that and keeping the power requirements down.

Once they put the backlight in, I think you’ll need to be really sparing with it.

Speaking as a layman...

 

[8ball]

Phew! Was thinking about electrical things and thought I’d got on the wrong tram for a sec, there!

 

[editor]

Even though the watch is pretty big, it’s very small for something that generates power using this effect.

I’d guess Saul is thinking there isn’t an obvious outlet for sufficient heat, and I’m guessing they’ve done something clever with both that and keeping the power requirements down.

Once they put the backlight in, I think you’ll need to be really sparing with it.

Speaking as a layman...

There's plenty of reviews - both paid and unpaid, i imagine - showing that clearly the tech does work, even if the watch is something of a flawed monster. If someone is going to declare it "bullshit" it would be useful to see something that backs that assertion up other than self proclaimed expertise.

 

[8ball]

There's plenty of reviews - both paid and unpaid, i imagine - showing that clearly the tech does work, even if the watch is something of a flawed monster. If someone is going to declare it "bullshit" it would be useful to see something that backs that assertion up other than self proclaimed expertise.

We’ve both thus far neglected to mention the killer argument: that this is the second generation of watch that this company has made using this technology, and people are walking around using them.

Unless the company is being *really* naughty, I think we can say pretty confidently that this works.

 

[Saul Goodman]

There's plenty of reviews - both paid and unpaid, i imagine - showing that clearly the tech does work, even if the watch is something of a flawed monster. If someone is going to declare it "bullshit" it would be useful to see something that backs that assertion up other than self proclaimed expertise.

Self proclaimed expertise, what, like you with your 'honest journalist' )) spiel?
I know what I know through experimentation and experience. You, on the other hand ' know' what you ' know' from reading an article on a website. Have you ever heard the adage "don't believe everything you read"?
I know you won't offer an apology, nor will you repeal your childish warning, but I have to say, your debating skills are on par with those of a petulant child.

 

[8ball]

Self proclaimed expertise, what, like you with your 'honest journalist' ) spiel?
I know what I know through experimentation and experience. You, on the other hand ' know' what you ' know' from reading an article on a website. Have you ever heard the adage "don't believe everything you read"?
I know you won't offer an apology, nor will you repeal your childish warning, but I have to say, your debating skills are on a par with those of a petulant child.

Well, these things are already out there. My guess is the materials science guys have created a material for the watch face that dissipates heat very effectively.

Or they’ve stuck a battery in it and hope people get bored with it.

 

[editor]

Self proclaimed expertise, what, like you with your 'honest journalist' )) spiel?
I know what I know through experimentation and experience. You, on the other hand ' know' what you ' know' from reading an article on a website. Have you ever heard the adage "don't believe everything you read"?
I know you won't offer an apology, nor will you repeal your childish warning, but I have to say, your debating skills are on par with those of a petulant child.

Sigh. Yet more pointless personal abuse in place of facts to back up your claims. Please stop.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Well, these things are already out there. My guess is the materials science guys have created a material for the watch face that dissipates heat very effectively.

Or they’ve stuck a battery in it and hope people get bored with it.

There is, quite obviously a battery in it. Its discharge versus recharge rate is what I'm questioning.