Marina Hyde: saving grace of t'Graun?

[Idris2002]

I think they do - her dad is the son of the former baronet, and her uncle is next in line (according to the internet)

Ah OK (googles quickly):

A baronetcy is the only British hereditary honour that is not a peerage, with the exception of the Anglo-Irish Black Knights, White Knights and Green Knights (of whom only the Green Knights are extant).

Baronet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's where I got the "no inheritance of title" thing from - I was thinking of the fact that's not a peerage, you don't get to be a vermine in ermine (unlike say Paul Bew, who started out as an ornament of the British-Irish Communist Organization, and is now "Lord Bew of Doneygore in the County of Antrim").

 

[Maggot]

It's the same thing though. Unless you think that somehow the dominance of privately educated posh people in the media and arts is down to merit, but in politics it's down to nepotism?

It's not the same. I don't like being ruled by posh people, but quite happy being entertained by them.

I would disagree that posh people dominate the arts. How many aristocratic comedians are there? or bands?

 

[cloudyday]

she has that nose too near their arse look. best avoided.

 

[killer b]

How many aristocratic comedians are there? or bands?

one aristocratic comedian has already been mentioned on the thread because she went to school with Marina Hyde. And there are certainly many, many posh people in bands and working everywhere in the arts because they're people who can afford to support themselves in their early careers.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's not the same. I don't like being ruled by posh people, but quite happy being entertained by them.

I would disagree that posh people dominate the arts. How many aristocratic comedians are there? or bands?

Actors, musicians etc - loads! They can afford to do it

 

[killer b]

I don't much like the taste of dogshit on the one boot, but the dogshit on the other is delicious

 

[TopCat]

Actors, musicians etc - loads! They can afford to do it

Solidarity for creatives!

 

[planetgeli]

It's not the same. I don't like being ruled by posh people, but quite happy being entertained by them.

I would prefer this if they did so via the medium of jousting.

 

[bmd]

It's not the same. I don't like being ruled by posh people, but quite happy being entertained by them.

I would disagree that posh people dominate the arts. How many aristocratic comedians are there? or bands?

Acting is just about wall to wall. It's an acknowledged issue. So much so that there are schools for performing that are aimed only at people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

 

[killer b]

I would disagree that posh people dominate the arts.

I keep thinking about this sentence and cracking up.

 

[ska invita]

Is this the latest inverted snobbery club hangout?

if it is, let me come in!
i never read "opinion pieces" and all columnists, every last one, can get in the sea
the very notion these people are funny!! dont make me laugh
if there was a newspaper with no columnists I'd be tempted to pay for it. i resent giving money to these arseholes who think their opinions have any value. their sole role is to skew perception of events into a narrower confine
commentariat cunts one and all - im above it!

how was that Supine?

 

[Santino]

Could you be any more offensive against the woman? Language like that should not be acceptable.

She IS posh though.

 

[killer b]

It's great that even here any attempt to discuss how the wealthy and privileged preserve and transmit their wealth and privilege between generations is policed by twits wanking on about 'inverse snobbery' and the like. Looking forward to a rousing encore of 'the politics of envy'

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Why Art and Culture is a Middle-Class Privilege. - The Gryphon

The exclusion of the working class from the fields of arts and culture is nothing new. It Is impossible to deny the elitism of the film, TV, and radio industry when only a mere 12.4% […]

www.thegryphon.co.uk

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It's great that even here any attempt to discuss how the wealthy and privileged preserve and transmit their wealth and privilege between generations is policed by twits wanking on about 'inverse snobbery' and the like. Looking forward to a rousing encore of 'the politics of envy'

Im reading the thread with McCarthy’s “I worked myself up from nothing” playing in my head....

 

[hitmouse]

Isn't it a marvellous coincidence that the lead singer of Bastille just so happened to attend the same school as Mumford & Sons?

 

[killer b]

Isn't it a marvellous coincidence that the lead singer of Bastille just so happened to attend the same school as Mumford & Sons?

one of Mumford and Sons (Mumford I think) went out with Laura Marling, another aristocrat who also just happens to be wildly musically talented.

 

[killer b]

I just saw this on the twitter and thought it was pretty astute

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Who knew so many members of the middle class were musically gifted and able to rise organically to the top of the pop charts?

To be fair after a hard day at work, like Maggot, I like nothing more than kicking back and listening to the funky rustic beats of Mumford and Sons

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't understand 'did you vote to stop this? No'

 

[DotCommunist]

Al Murray does my head in, an aristo playing a boorish pub landlord for the chuckles of a middle class audience. And they always stealth it, I only found out about murray 3 years ago.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Al Murray does my head in, an aristo playing a boorish pub landlord for the chuckles of a middle class audience. And they always stealth it, I only found out about murray 3 years ago.

Little Britain: posh sneering wankers. This meritocratic arts world seems full of types who are avowedly 'progressive' but with the same blind spot: class.

 

[Maggot]

But in other areas, such as columnists, I judge them on merit and don't care which school they went to.

Who knew so many members of the middle class were musically gifted and able to rise organically to the top of the pop charts?

To be fair after a hard day at work, like Maggot, I like nothing more than kicking back and listening to the funky rustic beats of Mumford and Sons

So 'I don't care what school they went to' has been translated in Smokeandsteam s mind to 'I love all posh entertainers'.

 

[hitmouse]

I was going to say I'm sure I remembered there being a great Barney Farmer bit about this lot, but it was actually something he retweeted:

Quoting other bits of the thread:

When I say these people would happily cheer the Generalissimo in Number 10 as he cracks down on traitors and anti-patriotic elements, then write chucklesome columns asking if the size of his epaulettes are compensating for something, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about.

We intentionally created an intensely unpleasant, poisonously xenophobic and spiteful politics then drove it to absolute authority LOL but it’s all a laugh and a giggle
And you would absolutely get your giggling and irreverent knockabout dictatorship larks from all sides of the British press, by which I mean snarky comments from both bum sucking Tory sycophants and the aren’t-we-so-zany parts of the 1997 Re-enactment Society.
The likes of Hyde and Chorley are amusing “Honk If You’re Horny” bumper stickers on the back of an out of control battle tank that’s smashing through houses, schools and hospitals IMO...
If these people had been born in the Soviet Union instead they’d have been every bit as comfortable doing irrepressibly goofy LOL larks about the gaudy jewellery on the Chairman’s wife. Georgia On His Mind - On Holiday With The Brezhnevs, that kind of thing.

 

[killer b]

So 'I don't care what school they went to' has been translated in Smokeandsteam s mind to 'I love all posh entertainers'.

You might not care what school the people on the telly you like went to, but the statistics suggest that they probably went to a posh one. Don't you think it's worth interrogating why there's such a disparity? Why it's much, much more likely that people from wealthy and privileged backgrounds are the people who get the opportunity to make you laugh / play music you'll actually hear / write terse and hilarious satire in your fave liberal newspaper?

 

[Sue]

You might not care what school the people on the telly you like went to, but the statistics suggest that they probably went to a posh one. Don't you think it's worth interrogating why there's such a disparity? Why it's much, much more likely that people from wealthy and privileged backgrounds are the people who get the opportunity to make you laugh / play music you'll actually hear / write terse and hilarious satire in your fave liberal newspaper?

Because they're clever and funnier and just more talented than us plebs obviously.

 

[Leighsw2]

I think her writing on Corbyn gives the game away (like the rest of the Guardian liberals).

 

[bmd]

I still like her. :{

I think I'm going to have to go to the reeducation camps.

 

[Maggot]

Her latest column is one of her best. IMO.

Nazanin is grateful, but is she grateful enough? I don’t know but the trolls will tell us | Marina Hyde

If she had been docile, she might have silenced her critics. Luckily the ingratitude police are on the case, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

www.theguardian.com