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Left Handed Batsman Standing Outside Leg Stump

FrancisLG

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Ok, I am a newby umpire officiated my very first match. I have had this scenario where a left handed batsmen takes position left of his wicket(standing outside leg). Not closing his wicket at at all. The right handed bowler bowling over the wicket pitches a bouncing ball, the lefty ducs very low, the ball crosses over his head. The ball is passing on the leg side between the wicket and batsmen. Do you call this wide?
 
Pretty sure it's not a wide. Don't know the ruling but have seen many batsmen 'followed' to the leg side by the bowler, swing and a miss, no wide is called.
 
How high did it go over the batsman? Where did it pitch and then what did it do (how far outside leg did it pass the batsman)? What's the game format?
 
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A ball is wide is the batsman can't hit with a normal cricket stroke, and if he couldn't have hit it with a normal stroke if he was standing in a normal guard position. I would suggest standing outside leg stump is not a normal position, and that had he been in a normal position he could have hit it.
 
A ball is wide is the batsman can't hit with a normal cricket stroke, and if he couldn't have hit it with a normal stroke if he was standing in a normal guard position.
Depends on the format. Many limited over league rules now consider anything that passes behind the striker to be a wide, regardless of whether he could have played a glance, hook, or pull.
I would suggest standing outside leg stump is not a normal position
What? :confused:

If you take a leg, or two guard, you will be standing outside leg stump. Even middle would have you at least half way. I think you have this the wrong way round.
 
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Depends on the format. Many limited over league rules now consider anything that passes behind the striker to be a wide, regardless of whether he could have played a glance, hook, or pull.

What?

If you take a leg stump, two, or even middle guard, you will probably be standing outside leg.
If the ball was between him and the stumps, and it was out of his reach then he'd be miles away from a normal guard. But actually it's not clear if that was the case.
 
Ok, I am a newby umpire officiated my very first match. I have had this scenario where a left handed batsmen takes position left of his wicket(standing outside leg). Not closing his wicket at at all. The right handed bowler bowling over the wicket pitches a bouncing ball, the lefty ducs very low, the ball crosses over his head. The ball is passing on the leg side between the wicket and batsmen. Do you call this wide?
Have you seen this happen?

"Leg side" for wides is considered to be that of the batsman; not of the stumps, no???
littlebabyjesus

If it's in front of the batsman any number of strokes can be played. If he's standing a yard or more off leg, he's a dick, and probably plays for my team.
 
If it goes between the striker and the stumps it's not a wide, unless by height.
This, definitely. When a batsman backs away, a bowler is entitled to follow him, but the bowler is also entitled to bowl at the stumps or just outside off as if the batsman hadn't moved. This isn't really any different. Likewise if a batsman tries some kind of dilscoop and moves over to the off side to do it, bowler can follow him but can also still aim at the stumps. Otherwise, you could have a ball hitting the stumps called wide!
 
On that basis we need to re-write quite a few laws.

No, just the one.

To Law 25 (wide ball)

1. Judging a Wide
(a) If the bowler bowls a ball, not being a No ball, the umpire shall adjudge it a Wide if, according to the definition in (b) below, in his opinion the ball passes wide of the striker where he is standing and would also have passed wide of him standing in a normal guard position.


(b) The ball will be considered as passing wide of the striker unless it is sufficiently within his reach for him to be able to hit it with his bat by means of a normal cricket stroke.


2. Delivery not a Wide
The umpire shall not adjudge a delivery as being a Wide
(a) if the striker, by moving,
either (i) causes the ball to pass wide of him, as defined in 1(b) above
or (ii) brings the ball sufficiently within his reach to be able to hit it with his bat by means of a normal cricket stroke.


(b) if the ball touches the striker's bat or person.

Rules of Cricket

Add 1 (c) Irrespective of whether or not a ball is declared a wide, a batsman shall be given as out if he takes up a guard position that the umpire adjudges to be silly.
 
How high did it go over the batsman? Where did it pitch and then what did it do (how far outside leg did it pass the batsman)? What's the game format?
It was not high, it was more a case of the bowler body lining the striker. I did not call it as wide.
 
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