leaflets at brixton iceland tonight
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What was on the leaflets?
the leaflet alleged that a pregnant black woman who tried to observe the police arresting another black man was herself arrested.
in short she was allegedly rushed by two officers and thrown and pinned to the ground and had a plod kneel on her back while they cuffed her (despite shouting she was pregnant). she was then put in a dark airless police van for 30 minutes calling for a doctor as she feared for her unborn child. she was ignored.
theres lots on the leaflet, this is just a summary.
it happened around 6.30pm thurs 27th at the number 3 bus stop.
edited for clarity
in short she was allegedly rushed by two officers and thrown and pinned to the ground and had a plod kneel on her back while they cuffed her (despite shouting she was pregnant). she was then put in a dark airless police van for 30 minutes calling for a doctor as she feared for her unborn child. she was ignored.
theres lots on the leaflet, this is just a summary.
it happened around 6.30pm thurs 27th at the number 3 bus stop.
edited for clarity
dogmatique
merde alors
I saw a chap under arrest next to Iceland at this time and being held (not on the floor, just standing there), whilst the cop called for a van. There was a lady shouting the odds at the policeman, who seemed to be trying to ignore her. I was waiting at the bus stop for about 5 minutes and she did not let up for a second. Couldn't really make out what she was shouting, and got on a bus before it escalated any further.
i was there earlier on waiting for a 3
a plod came up and told a guy to clear off who he suspected of selling weed.
said he'd be back in 5 minutes and if the guy wasnt gonna clear off he'd nick him. guy gave him a bit of a mouthful, copper walked off and then the 3 turned up.
was a busy day for the whistlers round there, you know how it can get
the email on the leaflet if you have info is editor@blackbases.com
a plod came up and told a guy to clear off who he suspected of selling weed.
said he'd be back in 5 minutes and if the guy wasnt gonna clear off he'd nick him. guy gave him a bit of a mouthful, copper walked off and then the 3 turned up.
was a busy day for the whistlers round there, you know how it can get
the email on the leaflet if you have info is editor@blackbases.com
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Allegedly, surely?Dan U said:
Unless you, personally, have knowledge and evidence of this?
Isn't rumours of an alleged black victim how riots started in Birmingham recently?
Not saying that the police wouldn't or haven't ever acted in such a cavalier fashion, but I'd be wary of repeating unsubstantiated rumour as fact, moreso following recent events in Birmingham.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I think you'll find that very word is used in the post you criticise.AnnO'Neemus said:
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yeah, I'm being legalistically pedantic, but then I have a legal background.
In the first sentence, you said that she had been arrested; it was made as a statement of fact.
What you 'alleged' was apparently the manner in which she was detained, not whether or not she had been arrested.
I did read the whole post, but I wasn't jumping in in haste, I was responding carefully having paid attention to detail, just pointing out that from a legalistic point of view, you're making (a) a statement of fact and (b) an allegation, when perhaps both (a) and (b) should be allegations. Hope that clears it up.
In the first sentence, you said that she had been arrested; it was made as a statement of fact.
What you 'alleged' was apparently the manner in which she was detained, not whether or not she had been arrested.
I did read the whole post, but I wasn't jumping in in haste, I was responding carefully having paid attention to detail, just pointing out that from a legalistic point of view, you're making (a) a statement of fact and (b) an allegation, when perhaps both (a) and (b) should be allegations. Hope that clears it up.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
See post above for my explanation as to why I made the distinction and my reasons for making that post.Donna Ferentes said:
I think you'll find that while that very word was used in the post, the way it was used and where it was used needed some clarification.
TeeJay said:I had a look at blackbases.com and the following caught my eye:
What utter shite!
I think that *anyone* trying to stir up racial conflict should be treated just like the BNP would be - ie told to fuck off.
i did wonder about some of the stuff they were shouting through there megaphone outside iceland...
I wonder what the right word for these views are?
"Neo-nazi" or "facist" scum doesn't really seem to fit whereas "black nationalism" is too tame. "Black supremacist" seems a bit silly and "black separatist" doesn't seem to encompass their objectional shite fully.
Any suggestions?
It's a shame that these people feel they can spout this crap in Brixton, whereas many other types of hateful bigots wouldn't dare.
Maybe it just goes 'under the radar' for a lot of people?
"Neo-nazi" or "facist" scum doesn't really seem to fit whereas "black nationalism" is too tame. "Black supremacist" seems a bit silly and "black separatist" doesn't seem to encompass their objectional shite fully.
Any suggestions?
It's a shame that these people feel they can spout this crap in Brixton, whereas many other types of hateful bigots wouldn't dare.
Maybe it just goes 'under the radar' for a lot of people?
idiots would be my word.
its certainly incendry, dangerous and factually incorrect.
the woman on the megaphone was shouting out some very dubious statistics about black deaths in custody - note i am not saying these dont happen.
i think its very difficult for anyone from outside of the black community to challenge views such as that.. you know what you are inevitably going to be called.
what annoyed me most about all of this (till i read the melanin post) was when the copper initially spoke to the suspected dealer he was perfectly reasonable, made it clear what would happen if the guy did not clear off and all he got back was a mouthful of abuse.
i got on a bus before the arrest happened so cant comment on how that went.
its certainly incendry, dangerous and factually incorrect.
the woman on the megaphone was shouting out some very dubious statistics about black deaths in custody - note i am not saying these dont happen.
i think its very difficult for anyone from outside of the black community to challenge views such as that.. you know what you are inevitably going to be called.
what annoyed me most about all of this (till i read the melanin post) was when the copper initially spoke to the suspected dealer he was perfectly reasonable, made it clear what would happen if the guy did not clear off and all he got back was a mouthful of abuse.
i got on a bus before the arrest happened so cant comment on how that went.
Well, it's not entirely clear what the connection between the people outside Iceland, the leaflet and the blackbases.com site are exactly.
Maybe they went to the webmaster for help with the leaflet.
To quote the blackbase FAQ:
They seem to be a bunch of Brixton/London based people and they probably aren't bad people ... their biographies etc seem fairly normal etc.
It is just depressing to see people go off into a 'separatism' type thinking and buying into racial ideas that are simply a flipside of all the shite that has been fucking people up in the first place.
I don't have any problem with people celebrating African and "black" culture (black being shorthand for a cultural thing not a "racial" one). I don't have any problems with people campaigning on deaths in police custody and pointing out the disproportionate number of "black" people who are victims. I don't even have any problems with people feeling alienated from mainstream little-england (aka "white") culture and seeking alternative perspectives, culture and people: after all a lot of people on u75 are doing this as well.
What I hate is how any kind of radicalism or "black" (ie african/culturally-black) thinking seems to include nasty and nonsensical racial ideas and bigotry that is almost like a mirror image of white racism/racial ideas and bigotry. You often find sexist, homophobic, anti-abortion, reactionary, conservative, right-wing wanna-be patriarch spouting a load of fake african "motherland" stuff almost deliberately to make sure no "whites" or "liberals" (aka "wanna-be whites") turn up and challenge their ego-trip.
Maybe I need to look around to see if I can find any other "black british" websites or (radical?) organisations that don't go down this route. Can anyone suggest any?
Maybe they went to the webmaster for help with the leaflet.
To quote the blackbase FAQ:
They seem to be a bunch of Brixton/London based people and they probably aren't bad people ... their biographies etc seem fairly normal etc.
It is just depressing to see people go off into a 'separatism' type thinking and buying into racial ideas that are simply a flipside of all the shite that has been fucking people up in the first place.
I don't have any problem with people celebrating African and "black" culture (black being shorthand for a cultural thing not a "racial" one). I don't have any problems with people campaigning on deaths in police custody and pointing out the disproportionate number of "black" people who are victims. I don't even have any problems with people feeling alienated from mainstream little-england (aka "white") culture and seeking alternative perspectives, culture and people: after all a lot of people on u75 are doing this as well.
What I hate is how any kind of radicalism or "black" (ie african/culturally-black) thinking seems to include nasty and nonsensical racial ideas and bigotry that is almost like a mirror image of white racism/racial ideas and bigotry. You often find sexist, homophobic, anti-abortion, reactionary, conservative, right-wing wanna-be patriarch spouting a load of fake african "motherland" stuff almost deliberately to make sure no "whites" or "liberals" (aka "wanna-be whites") turn up and challenge their ego-trip.
Maybe I need to look around to see if I can find any other "black british" websites or (radical?) organisations that don't go down this route. Can anyone suggest any?
Is BlackBASES racist?
BlackBASES believe in Black Power, Black Freedom, Black Elevation, Black Unity, Black Strength, Black Love, all things that our communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?
If the colour was reversed, and you read a leaflet that read:
"Is WhiteBASES racist?
WhiteBASES believe in White Power, White Freedom, White Elevation, White Unity, White Strength, White Love, all things that our communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?"
Would you think that the people behind it were racist? I would....
Giles..
BlackBASES believe in Black Power, Black Freedom, Black Elevation, Black Unity, Black Strength, Black Love, all things that our communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?
If the colour was reversed, and you read a leaflet that read:
"Is WhiteBASES racist?
WhiteBASES believe in White Power, White Freedom, White Elevation, White Unity, White Strength, White Love, all things that our communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?"
Would you think that the people behind it were racist? I would....
Giles..
You also write it like this:
Is RaceBASES racist?
RaceBASES believe in Racial Power, Racial Freedom, Racial Elevation, Racial Unity, Racial Strength, Racial Love, all things that our racial communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?
It doesn't really matter about what "colour" you substitute. The problem is the false proposition that separate and distinct "races" exist allied to the idea that people naturally "belong" to one "race" group or another and that these supposed 'groups' have different rights and values.
Even the mainstream media in the UK keeping talking about "whites", "blacks" and "asians" - as if "race" was a meangingful and real way of dividing up and classifying human beings. It isn't.
Is RaceBASES racist?
RaceBASES believe in Racial Power, Racial Freedom, Racial Elevation, Racial Unity, Racial Strength, Racial Love, all things that our racial communities around the world are lacking. You tell us, does this make us racists?
It doesn't really matter about what "colour" you substitute. The problem is the false proposition that separate and distinct "races" exist allied to the idea that people naturally "belong" to one "race" group or another and that these supposed 'groups' have different rights and values.
Even the mainstream media in the UK keeping talking about "whites", "blacks" and "asians" - as if "race" was a meangingful and real way of dividing up and classifying human beings. It isn't.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
Dan U said:we are all, it would seem, in agreement...
*checks URL*
... yep www.urban75.net...
eh???????
