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I am hoping for some opinion/perspective from our North American and Canadian posters on this one. I became aware of this about 4-5 weeks ago after seeing it on Twitter.

The movement is originally a First Nations one based mainly in Canada though there have been demos in the U.S. too. It seeks to be completely inclusive in it's aims however. From the blog:

Idle No More calls on all people to join in a revolution which honors and fulfills Indigenous sovereignty which protects the land and water. Colonization continues through attacks to Indigenous rights and damage to the land and water. We must repair these violations, live the spirit and intent of the treaty relationship, work towards justice in action, and protect Mother Earth.

One of the movement's leaders, Chief Theresa Spence is on hunger strike (nearly 2 weeks now) as she has asked the Canadian P.M. Stephen Harper to discuss various grievances. So far he has refused to see her or even acknowledge that there is anything to discuss.

Press coverage is possibly a bit muted however there's this from a recent mainstream Canadian publication:

First Nations prepared to fight Harper government, Enbridge in international court

Idle No More flashmob in Seattle mall:



I like this cartoon done in support of the movement on facebook by Settler Colonial:

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No takers? :( I didn't mean I just wanted comment from people across the pond but rather I've been following this on Twitter with the hashtag #IdleNoMore and quite understandably people tweeting about this are trying to generate as much publicity as possible. I am I suppose, wondering just how big a movement it currently is.
 
Missed this, Sorry. I'm encouraged by the fact that it seems to have maintained its momentum through the holidays and into the winter, which is the time of year when movements tend to slow down in Canada. There were three demos this weekend in Kingston alone, which for a city of about 110K is pretty good.

Harper will probably let Chief Spence starve, because that's the kind of leader he is. He has shown nothing but contempt for anything that stands in opposition to his plans. At the same time the level of ignorance within the settler population is just staggering. People don't seem to realize that most of the country legally belongs to the natives and while they're all celebrating the war of 1812 (canada apparently 'won' that war) nobody knows about the far more significant Pontiac war and the declaration of 1763 from which the entire legal framework for relations with the natives (and the Quebecois for that matter) derives. For example, there was a blockade this weekend of the main rail line between Toronto and Montreal, its the most significant transport corridor in the country. My wife is a PHD candidate at the local uni and some of her colleagues were complaining about the inconvenience whilst failing to note that the tracks actually pass through the Tyendinaga reserve (which on paper is supposed to be a sovereign nation) and the tracks were laid down without their consent.
 
Missed this, Sorry. I'm encouraged by the fact that it seems to have maintained its momentum through the holidays and into the winter, which is the time of year when movements tend to slow down in Canada. There were three demos this weekend in Kingston alone, which for a city of about 110K is pretty good.

Harper will probably let Chief Spence starve, because that's the kind of leader he is. He has shown nothing but contempt for anything that stands in opposition to his plans. At the same time the level of ignorance within the settler population is just staggering. People don't seem to realize that most of the country legally belongs to the natives and while they're all celebrating the war of 1812 (canada apparently 'won' that war) nobody knows about the far more significant Pontiac war and the declaration of 1763 from which the entire legal framework for relations with the natives (and the Quebecois for that matter) derives. For example, there was a blockade this weekend of the main rail line between Toronto and Montreal, its the most significant transport corridor in the country. My wife is a PHD candidate at the local uni and some of her colleagues were complaining about the inconvenience whilst failing to note that the tracks actually pass through the Tyendinaga reserve (which on paper is supposed to be a sovereign nation) and the tracks were laid down without their consent.

Out of curiosity, do you know if the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms applies to the First Nations?
 
I know a few NDN rights activists and they all completely support Idle No More 100%

Please share the Idle No More message and gain support from as many people as you can.

As for whether this is a big or small news story, it is huge and inspiring for NDN people but has not received proper press coverage from mainstream media

Hopefully we can change this
 
Out of curiosity, do you know if the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms applies to the First Nations?
The proclamation is cited in article 25 of the charter as outlining the rights that aboriginal peoples possess with respect to the crown. The significance of the proclamation itself is subject to some dispute. The crown claimed sovereignty over what is now Canada but it established that lands not previously settled belonged to the indigenous folk and had to be ceded by treaty. Now, the crown never really intended to honour that promise (and thus huge swathes of the country remain unceded) but there it is nevertheless, it was never officially reneged on and it being specifically cited in the charter gives it strong legal weight.
 
But in better news:

The aboriginal movement known as Idle No More continued to gain strength beyond Canada's borders on Tuesday as activists embarked on a public relations blitz in the United States.

Pamela Palmater, one of the leaders of the movement, travelled to Washington, D.C. to give interviews to the U.S. media. She said the goal of the media campaign was to raise awareness internationally and force Prime Minister Stephen Harper to act.

"The idea is to put pressure on the Canadian government to pay attention and come to the table," Palmater said by phone. "I was invited to come down and do some media about Idle No More, basically answer questions about why it's spreading into the United States."...
 
My reaction (and this is the first I've heard of it) is that it is a rehashing of extreme Native-American politics, not even supported by most Native Americans. It seems to have no coherent objective except to criticize the present Canadian administration. Now I'm going entirely by what the people posted here, so I haven't even seen anything from the other side of the business.

Racism exists everywhere and among all groups. Maybe ten percent or so of the population have the necessary genes. Another twenty percent or so can be brought along in the absence of education. Almost everyone else can be brought along with legal pressure and effective bandwagon and other propaganda techniques.

Unfortunately, using the fact of racism to promote an extreme agenda is also pretty much standard around the world. It often consists of labeling one's opponents "Fascist." (The trouble is, there really do exist real Fascists, so people should be more careful about how often they holler "wolf!").
 
The proclamation is cited in article 25 of the charter as outlining the rights that aboriginal peoples possess with respect to the crown. The significance of the proclamation itself is subject to some dispute. The crown claimed sovereignty over what is now Canada but it established that lands not previously settled belonged to the indigenous folk and had to be ceded by treaty. Now, the crown never really intended to honour that promise (and thus huge swathes of the country remain unceded) but there it is nevertheless, it was never officially reneged on and it being specifically cited in the charter gives it strong legal weight.


So the answer is no, the aboriginals are not covered by the Charter.
 
wow - a us website with a telephone number in Arkansas - evil canadians!!!!

:rolleyes:
You are supposing that because the leaflet originated in the states that there are no racists in Canada, how?

Perhaps you would care to read and explain the article I linked to in post #7
 
You are supposing that because the leaflet originated in the states that there are no racists in Canada, how?

Perhaps you would care to read and explain the article I linked to in post #7


I'm saying that is not a Canadian organization.

As for your article, I agree that women should not be travelling alone.
 
Deranger says Idle No More should be important to all Canadians, not just First Nations, because it voices concern with how the Conservative government is passing bills without proper consultation.

“What we saw was a bill rammed through without adequate debate… there should have been adequate debate and adequate consultation.”

“We’ve seen the Conservative government erode democracy,” she says.

Deranger explains Idle No More is a movement that is about “a breakdown of democracy.”

“We’re saying enough is enough. We’re not going to stand idly by.”

However, there has been a lot of confusion surrounding which aspects of Bill C-45 are of particular concern for Idle No More supporters. Deranger hopes to clear up some of the misunderstandings about the cause.

“To be honest, I think there’s a lot of misinformation going on as to what the movement’s really about. Because of the misinformation on both sides, it becomes a bit of an uneducated debate until you really break it down. This is an issue that should be a concern for everyone.”

Breaking down Bill C-45 & Idle No More

The Indian Act

Deranger says the bill includes changing the procedures that lead up to the removal of land. Basically, she says, the amendments makes federal removal of land easier. In the past, she explains, referendums were required for land removal proposals, and the referendums had to include all members of a First Nation. Now, she says, either a meeting or a referendum must be called, and the majority vote at that meeting decides the result, no matter how few people are at the meeting. In addition, says Deranger, the Minister can call a meeting himself for the removal of land.

The Navigable Waters Protection Act

The Navigable Waters Protection Act would become the Navigation Protection Act. Changes to the law would see thousands of lakes and streams removed from federal protection. Critics say that move takes away environmental oversight of the waterways.

“Important lakes and rivers in my region are being stripped of protection,” NDP MP Glen Thibeault has said. Thibeault represents the Sudbury, Ontario riding.

The Harper government said the changes would streamline regulation and reduce red tape that was holding up projects along waterways. Transportation Minister Denis Lebel added many waterways will still be covered by environmental protection under other laws.

However, Idle No More supports fear the changes to the Navigable Waters Protection Act remove protection of more than 99.9 per cent of lakes and rivers in Canada, says Deranger.

“It’s a direct violation of treaty rights,” she adds. “Lakes and rivers are often the centre and focal point of communities.”

The Environmental Assessment Act

Deranger says the Environmental Assessment Act has been weakened under the new bill. She says now, certain projects don’t have to go through a significant review process, including those that involve natural resource extraction.

“The Idle No More movement came about because [the bill] had drastic impacts on aboriginal rights,” she explains, “but not only our rights, but on Canadian democracy.”

The changes in Bill C-45 would also eliminate the Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission, which is an independent body responsible for making science-based decisions to protect Canadians from toxic chemicals and hazardous materials in the workplace.

The Fisheries Act

Critics say the Fisheries Act and the Hazardous Materials Information Review Act were critical laws that were used to support environmental stewardship, clean water and healthy oceans for all Canadians. They say the changes included in the omnibus bill would further weaken Canada’s environmental laws, remove critical federal safeguards, and reduce the amount of public consultation and input on projects that impact the environment and ecosystem. Critics argue the changes to the Fisheries Act would give industry the option of asking that their existing commitments to protect fish habitat be changed or cancelled, or that they no longer be responsible for providing compensation for lost or damaged habitat.

Deranger says the biggest concern with changes to this law is that “aboriginal fishing rights” were added to the Fisheries Act. However, she says, those same rights are already included in Section 35 of the Canadian Constitution. Idle No More supporters worry that this addition means the Conservative government could be considering removing Section 35 from the Constitution.

“The concern is that if the government is able to push this bill through… it could completely erode our democratic rights in our country,” adds Deranger.

More on Idle No More

The Idle No More campaign was started by four women from Saskatchewan against a number of bills before Parliament. They are particularly critical of Bill C-45, which they say weakens environmental laws.

"We started discussing that and felt that we need to bring attention to this legislation," said Jessica Gordon, who lives in Saskatoon.
http://www.globalnews.ca/highway+blockades+part+of+idle+no+more+demonstrations/6442776507/story.html

And this is why I support idle no more.
 
I'm saying that is not a Canadian organization.

As for your article, I agree that women should not be travelling alone.
I apologise if I have misunderstood you but what I think has most likely happened here is that a racist in Canada with little or no imagination (not an uncommon trait in racists I would surmise) has found the flyer on their website and printed it up rather than do one of their own. In that sense where it has come from is irrelevant.
 
I apologise if I have misunderstood you but what I think has most likely happened here is that a racist in Canada with little or no imagination (not an uncommon trait in racists I would surmise) has found the flyer on their website and printed it up rather than do one of their own. In that sense where it has come from is irrelevant.


I didn't really get a good look at the flyer, but I suspect that it is in violation of our hate laws. The website definitely is.

The Westboro Church twits attempted to get their propaganda into Canada, and their flyers and signs were taken away from them.

ets: I just reread your post - we have more than one racist in Canada. Some of them are actually aboriginals......
 
This has made it to the Graun:

Canadian PM to meet First Nations leaders after protests

Interesting comments, mostly supportive though there are one or two that seem to be out and out smears particularly the long post by BessMasterton. Further down howerver it is alleged that Ms Masterton:

anatman29
FYI: "BessMasterton 06 January 2013 6:53 PM"
is a political hack from the Conservative Party of British Columbia.

Concerning possible smears, this article which imo is a bit of a hatchet job appeared in the Canadian edition of The Huffington Post on the same day that the meeting was announced.
 
Canada native meeting ends with pledge of further talks

A meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and a group of First Nations chiefs has ended with a promise of "high-level dialogue".

The talks ended a day of protest as supporters of Native leaders boycotting the meeting marched through Ottawa.

Those who sat out of the meeting with Mr Harper are angry the country's governor general did not attend.

The talks on land and treaty rights were spurred by a protest by Attawapiskat chief Theresa Spence.

A group of native leaders rallied behind her after she announced she would be boycotting the meeting.

She went on a liquids-only hunger strike four weeks ago in protest against a budget bill that critics say weakens native land rights and environmental safeguards.

Since then, solidarity protests and blockades have sought to bring attention to the bill and larger Native grievances......
 
*bump*

There appears to be an anti fracking demo going on with the hashtag #Elsipogtog in or near New Brunswick, Canada. Things were relatively peaceful up to the point protestors were pepper=sprayed and then some cars got torched and the government decided this warranted deploying snipers:

TrillyTrills: A protest that was peaceful before THEY marched in with army regalia and decided to pepper spray protestors #Elsipogtog

earthspeakorg: “@lastrealindians: RCMP snipers at #Elsipogtog First Nation #GlobalFrackdown http://t.co/67Gwmie9km”



 
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