Ice cap disappearing 30 years ahead of schedule

[bigfish]

No, you are claiming that mainstream science is wrong, therefore you have the burden of proof. I am quite happy to believe what the experts say, so I do not need to prove anything.

How very convenient for you.

 

[d.a.s.h]

nutter

 

[Fruitloop]

BigFish, do you agree or disagree with this statement: the surface temperature of the earth will always rise until its thermal output matches the sum of the insolated energy and the heat transfer from the atmosphere?

 

[Signal 11]

Explain how global warming cools the water to freezing point?

Straw man. Nobody said it did.

As ocean warming is one of the climatologists explanations for the loss of sea ice then you need to explain how warmer water can produce more sea ice?

I have provided a link to an article explaining the mainstream view. For the third time, if you wish to dispute it, provide your evidence.

 

[bigfish]

BigFish, do you agree or disagree with this statement: the surface temperature of the earth will always rise until its thermal output matches the sum of the insolated energy and the heat transfer from the atmosphere?

The word "insolated" does not exist. Do you mean insulated?

 

[Poi E]

The word "insolated" does not exist. Do you mean insulated?

oh yes it does exist

insolate - expose to the rays of the sun or affect by exposure to the sun;

 

[WouldBe]

Straw man. Nobody said it did.

Your link says that for sea ice to form the sea needs to be cooled to just above freezing.

Climatology claims that global warming is causing the seas to warm melting the ice sheets.

Please explain how global warming causes the sea to cool to cause more sea ice to form.

I have provided a link to an article explaining the mainstream view. For the third time, if you wish to dispute it, provide your evidence.

It explains nothing of the sort and what it does explain makes no sence.


As you're the one claiming this is 'mainstream' valid science please back your claim up.

 

[Signal 11]

As you're the one claiming this is 'mainstream' valid science please back your claim up.

It is mainstream science. It is not disputed by any scientist in the field. If you wish to dispute it, provide your evidence.

 

[WouldBe]

It is mainstream science. It is not disputed by any scientist in the field. If you wish to dispute it, provide your evidence.

Just because a bunch of people agree to something that's dumbass doesn't make it valid.

How can warm(er) water both cause ices sheets to melt and cause new ice sheets to form?

It makes no sence whatsoever and that link you provided is not much sence either. Please provide something from a reputable soure.

 

[Signal 11]

JHow can warm(er) water both cause ices sheets to melt and cause new ice sheets to form?

Straw man. Nobody said it did.

It makes no sence whatsoever and that link you provided is not much sence either. Please provide something from a reputable soure.

I have provided links to reputable sources. The fact that it "makes no sence" to a muppet like you does not make it wrong. It is not disputed by any scientists in the field.

 

[bigfish]

It is mainstream science. It is not disputed by any scientist in the field.

Can you prove that?

Honestly, debating with you and your propaganda peddling chums is like trying to debate with a troop of chimpanzees.

 

[WouldBe]

Straw man. Nobody said it did.

Sorry but the climatologists say it did.

I have provided links to reputable sources. The fact that it "makes no sence" to a muppet like you does not make it wrong. It is not disputed by any scientists in the field.

Yes like Wiki it a top scientific journal.

It makes no sence from a physics point of view not because I'm some sort of muppet.

Now please provide a reputable source for the claim you made earlier that global warming can cause ice sheets to grow.

 

[Signal 11]

Can you prove that?

Nobody can prove a negative. If you wish to dispute what I posted, provide your evidence.

Sorry but the climatologists say it did.

No, they say the warming causes increased precipitation which increases the amount of ice in the antarctic.

Yes like Wiki it a top scientific journal.

Please state what was incorrect with the information I quoted from the wiki and provide supporting evidence.

Now please provide a reputable source for the claim you made earlier that global warming can cause ice sheets to grow.

I have already provided one. If you have anything to dispute it, please provide it.

 

[WouldBe]

No, they say the warming causes increased precipitation which increases the amount of ice in the antarctic.

They also say that it's responcible for the reduction in ice.

Which is it?

Or show how warming can have both effects.

I have already provided one. If you have anything to dispute it, please provide it.

No you've not. You can shout 'strawman' as much as you like. You can say you've provided an 'expert' link all you like. That doesn't make it true.

 

[bigfish]

Sorry but the climatologists say it did.



Yes like Wiki it a top scientific journal.

It makes no sence from a physics point of view not because I'm some sort of muppet.

Now please provide a reputable source for the claim you made earlier that global warming can cause ice sheets to grow.

Hilarious stuff!

Let me see if I've got this right. Down at the South Pole ice coverage is busting new records because of... "global warming". Meanwhile, up at the North Pole ice is melting at a predigious rate because of... "global warming".

 

[Bob_the_lost]

They also say that it's responcible for the reduction in ice.

Which is it?

Or show how warming can have both effects.




No you've not. You can shout 'strawman' as much as you like. You can say you've provided an 'expert' link all you like. That doesn't make it true.

If you can't see a hypothetical situation where it's possible then you're an idiot. Course that doesn't mean the model would be realistic. Is that your issue or are you an idiot who'd like it spelt out?

 

[Signal 11]

They also say that it's responcible for the reduction in ice.

The warming is responsible for the reduction in ice in the arctic. It is also responsible for the increased evaporation which leads to increased snowfall in the antarctic, which increases the amount of ice there.

Again, this is not disputed by any scientists in the field. If you wish to dispute it, provide your evidence.

 

[Crispy]

Would anyone object to spinning off the antarctic and arctic discussions into seperate threads?

 

[Signal 11]

^ That would be good.

 

[d.a.s.h]

The word "insolated" does not exist. Do you mean insulated?

Ignorance and arrogance don't look good together, bigfish.

Re. troops of chimpanzees - if so, then why bother? You'll never get what you want or what you think you want here. All urban75 will bring you is frustration. Broaden your interests, develop a sense of humour, and get a life instead.

 

[bigfish]

Ignorance and arrogance don't look good together, bigfish.

Oh, I don't know, they seem to suit you very well, d.a.s.h

Merriam Websters dictionary: insolated The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.

Suggestions for insolated:

1. insulated
2. insulted
3. isolated
4. unsalted
5. insulates
6. inoculated
7. uninsulated
8. insulate
9. insulter
10. insulters

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Cambridge dictionary: insolated was not found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary

Did you spell it correctly? Here are some alternatives:

insole
insolence
insolent
insolently
insoles
insolubility
insoluble
insolvable
insolvency
insolvent
insular
insularity
insulate
insulated
insulates
insulating
insulation
insulator
insulators

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/

 

[Fruitloop]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insolation

It is not in the dictionary because it is technical vocabulary.

 

[d.a.s.h]

You great luminous dollop bigfish

 

[Crispy]

You're making yourself look stupid bigfish. Insolation is a common technical term.

Insolation is a measure of solar radiation energy received on a given surface area in a given time. It is commonly expressed as average irradiance in watts per square meter

Here's your merriam-webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insolation

insolation
One entry found.
insolation


Main Entry:
in·so·la·tion
Pronunciation:
\ˌin-(ˌ)sō-ˈlā-shən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French or Latin; French, from Latin insolation-, insolatio, from insolare to expose to the sun, from in- + sol sun — more at solar
Date:
1617
1: exposure to the sun's rays
2: sunstroke
3 a: solar radiation that has been received b: the rate of delivery of direct solar radiation per unit of horizontal surface; broadly : that relating to total solar radiation

 

[bigfish]

Would anyone object to spinning off the antarctic and arctic discussions into seperate threads?

Yes, I object as it is useful to examine what is going on at one Pole in comparison with what is going on at the other Pole.

 

[Crispy]

Well, comparisons are tricky. North Pole = Ocean surrounded by continents. South Pole = Continent surrounded by oceans. The weather and climate, although cold, is quite different for each.

 

[bigfish]

You're making yourself look stupid bigfish. Insolation is a common technical term.]

Not as stupid as you Crispy, as the ACTUAL word used by Fruit was "INSOLATED".

 

[d.a.s.h]

No, I think it's fair enough. To ask "Why is the Arctic thawing while the Antarctic is not" is a reasonable layman's question.

 

[Crispy]

Not as stupid as you Crispy, as the ACTUAL word used by Fruit was "INSOLATED".

Jesus christ, can you not conjugate a verb?

 

[d.a.s.h]

Not as stupid as you Crispy, as the ACTUAL word used by Fruit was "INSOLATED".

Ahem.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insolated