Ice cap disappearing 30 years ahead of schedule

[longdog]

No offence Big Fish but are you on any medication?

 

[bigfish]

[deleted gratuitous ad hominem] Because the BBC rigged a poll ... on a kid's program they must be lying if they report something that you don't like?

You don't think the poll rigging and all the other stuff might be symptomatic of a deeper malaise then?

 

[bigfish]

No offence Big Fish but are you on any medication?

No, but I do read the papers. Also, I can still vividly recall the waves of propaganda carpet bombing unleashed by the BBC lie machine at the time of the illegal invasion of Iraq by America and Britain. What about you?

 

[dash_two]

But the news story about the diminishing Arctic ice didn't originate with the BBC. It came from the Danish National Space Center, based on their research.

So, are you saying that the Danish National Space Center is a lie machine?

 

[dash_two]

Continuing the Scandinavian theme:

Here's another interpretation of how quickly Greenland ice can melt, by Professor Nils-Axel Mörner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion.

Would that happen to be a certain very elderly Swedish gentleman who believes he can identify different substances by dowsing?

I've described here previously how a pompous-assed "dowsing expert" named Nils-Axel Morner, associate professor of geology from Stockholm University, has consistently refused to be tested for the Pigasus Prize. [. . .] I found that Morner was tested -- amateurishly -- on a prominent Swedish TV show, "The Plain & Simple Truth," on TV2 on February 27th. Morner was first provided the opportunity to brag about anecdotal successes, then he was tested. A local celebrity -- a singer -- was involved, as is usual with these drearily predictable affairs.

The singer chose one of ten cups under which to conceal a packet of sugar. He chose number seven; are we surprised? Morner had designed this test, saying that it was especially difficult for him to do. (???) He said that water or
metal could be located "right away," but not sugar. Morner blathered on about "interference" and mumbled about "influences" and "might be here" and the usual alibis, then chose number eight. Wrong. But, said Morner, it was "in the right sector!" But no cigar.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

 

[kerplunk]

Here's another interpretation of how quickly Greenland ice can melt, by Professor Nils-Axel Mörner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion.



http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0708/S00012.htm

I'm not sure this is even contentious - looks in-line with IPCC projections for greenland contribution to sea level rise to me. See the table half way down the wiki page on sea level rise

also see the discussion page there for more on Mörner.

Incidentally IIRC the rate of temp increase after the last glacial period was +0.1C per century (compared to +0.6C for the 20th century and even bigger rises projected for the 21st). Not really sure of the relevence of that to Morners comparison but just thought I'd mention it!

 

[dash_two]

You know what interests me?

Who "bigfish" is flacking for, and why.

Bigfish isn't flacking for anyone, IMO, although it may look like it at times. His positions on subjects such as global warming, peak oil, overpopulation and so on are clearly interlinked and rest on the belief that the underlying principle of the universe is a benign one of continual expansion and ever-greater abundance.

Capitalist society, in his view, tries to suppress knowledge of these truths and engineer artificial scarcities in order to maintain control over the population.

 

[Crispy]

Not sure where the solid, electric sun fits into it all. IMO, he's just a contrarian.

 

[bigfish]

But the news story about the diminishing Arctic ice didn't originate with the BBC. It came from the Danish National Space Center, based on their research.

So, are you saying that the Danish National Space Center is a lie machine?

No, I'm saying that the BBC is the British ruling establishment's very own lie machine and that it always has been since its very inception. The stuff about rigging polls on Blue Peter, etc., etc., is just the tip of the iceberg - just look at the hysterical doom laden tosh about impending climate catastrophe it spews out on its website or on its nightly sermons live from the White City sewage works.

 

[dash_two]

No, I'm saying that the BBC is the British ruling establishment's very own lie machine and that it always has been since its very inception. The stuff about rigging polls on Blue Peter, etc., etc., is just the tip of the iceberg - just look at the hysterical doom laden tosh about impending climate catastrophe it spews out on its website or on its nightly sermons live from the White City sewage works.

Look on the bright side: at least you don't have to pay the licence pay where you live.

 

[longdog]

You don't think the poll rigging and all the other stuff might be symptomatic of a deeper malaise then?

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that there is a connection between rigged votes and BBC News coverage?

It's no good you obsessively calling the BBC News a 'lie machine' without some sort of evidence.

What are we to believe All? Some? None of their coverage? (and keep in mind BBC News has given wide coverage to the phone vote scandals). Or should we just ignore coverage on your say so?

Did you take that picture by the way? Are you compiling a dossier that will save the world?

 

[longdog]

Ah, the Daily Mail report on a rigged vote on Blue Peter. You must be right about climate change then.

 

[stdPikachu]

IMO, he's just a contrarian.

Not a piece of performance art?

 

[laptop]

Not sure where the solid, electric sun fits into it all. IMO, he's just a contrarian.

But a busy one - cutting and pasting from his own posts on other boards...

Urban generally runs a couple of hours after the others

 

[Fruitloop]

Well, science is a bit of an all-or-nothing thing, given the requirement for internal consistency. BigFish is aiming for the nothing end of the spectrum with the holographic, electric sunned sci-fi stuff.

Good material for a novel, but you wouldn't wanna base your chip fab on it.

 

[bigfish]

Any of you guys at the BBC?

 

[Balbi]

Yes, i'm Huw Edwards.

 

[bluestreak]

You can't be, I'm Huw Edwards.

 

[Balbi]

No, I am definitely The Real Huw Edwards

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/ten/2655339.stm

 

[longdog]

Any of you guys at the BBC?

Do I detect a slight hint of paranoia?

I know I didn't put it very well before but I really think you need to get some help. Your seeing a 'lie machine' everywhere you look is starting to appear somewhat pathological.

Conspiracy theorising is one thing but I fear you have gone several steps over the line in to illness.

Get some help mate, seriously, you need it.

 

[bluestreak]

National Snow and Ice Data Centre reports sea ice extent at all time low.

http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20070810_index.html

 

[citydreams]

National Snow and Ice Data Centre reports sea ice extent at all time low.

http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20070810_index.html

from the above link:

 

[longdog]

 

[kerplunk]

'nother graph..

...er so that's quite spectacular then.

Apparently the winter re-freeze has begun so I guess all eyes will be on how well it recovers in the coming months.

 

[free spirit]

'nother graph..

...er so that's quite spectacular then.

Apparently the winter re-freeze has begun so I guess all eyes will be on how well it recovers in the coming months.

where's that graph from?

does look pretty severe from that graph.

 

[kerplunk]

where's that graph from?

does look pretty severe from that graph.

From this blog

Follow the link there to the NSIDC site if you want to check it but I wouldn't expect any discepancys for such a simple plot of area stats from someone who does guest posts on Real Climate.

eta graph from the NSIDC site

link

 

[laptop]

Oh shit

 

[bluestreak]

huh, facts. you prove ANYTHING with facts.

 

[spacemonkey]

Oh shit

oh noes.

 

[david dissadent]