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The Black Hand said:
Ho ho ho you don't like accurate description of the real world do you VP? You lot never got as agitated when the new rules were forced on the unemployed and the disabled.
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I'm both unemployed and disabled, you mug. I got plenty agitated and, just like I've done with any cause that engages me, for the last 35 years, I've rolled my sleeves up and got involved when and where I can.
Now you're trying to make this a signifier of 'we shall fight them on the beaches we will never surrender' proportions.
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All I've done is reiterate something I said a while ago: If it's Child Benefit today, what will it be tomorrow if they're allowed to get away with it?
Hardly the same as trying to build the significance of my point to rival the threat of world war.
Trouble is - I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ANY FIGHT IN YOU OR YOUR ILK
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What the great Dr believes is irrelevant (and usually delusional).
Judging by past behaviour. You're all just impotent keyboard warriors...
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Projecting your own failures again?
without any means of resisting...
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By which people should be told you actually mean "without using the means that I, the Black Hand, offer you (PS, please buy a copy of Mayday!)".
and trying to pretend its important to shake some fake shity stick on U75 is frankly embarrassing for anybody who follows in the footsteps of our martyred dead. I save my powder for when its really worth it, not when its a fake fight on U75.
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Thanks for the laugh. You haven't had any powder with explosive potential for years! :D
 
The Black Hand said:
You are just a LIAR VP. Why? You're blinded by the obsession with being right as Camus said.

As it goes I've been working with Tyne & Wear Left Unity as they will tell you if you ask (i've publicised this on U75), I've been leafletting with the PSA in Sunderland, and organising other events that have been publisized on U75 eg. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/th...do-about-the-cuts-Tuesday-19th-Oct-Sunderland
WHY ARE YOU LYING? That's reactionary crap.
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I'm not lying. Why would I need to?
And to be blunt, so what if you've been "Tyne & Wear Left Unity" and doing other workaday stuff that most activists don't bother to mention. Anyone but you would feel embarrassed to call their everyday activism "building the actual opposition".

Fucking hell, the sheer hubris! :D :D :D
 
GIve it a rest VP - your past it, its you who are defeated along with the other lame keyboard warriors around here. You have nothing, no groups no movement no events, nothing. This thread has gone ape on this issue and it didn't do that with rule changes for the unemployed or the disabled. FACT. AS I have indicated elsewhere I try several things, with different groups, I am impossible to pigeonhole as you are lamely trying to do VP. FAIL FAIL again for the impotent keyboard warriors on U75 (epic fail week after week month after month year after year). That fills me with no joy btw, but it is accurate description of the ultra left on U75...

ViolentPanda said:
I'm both unemployed and disabled, you mug. I got plenty agitated and, just like I've done with any cause that engages me, for the last 35 years, I've rolled my sleeves up and got involved when and where I can.

All I've done is reiterate something I said a while ago: If it's Child Benefit today, what will it be tomorrow if they're allowed to get away with it?
Hardly the same as trying to build the significance of my point to rival the threat of world war.

What the great TBH believes is irrelevant (and usually delusional).

Projecting your own failures again?

By which people should be told you actually mean "without using the means that I, the Black Hand, offer you (PS, please buy a copy of Mayday!)".

Thanks for the laugh. You haven't had any powder with explosive potential for years! :D
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You are lying, saying one thing when its clearly not true, and can be shown to not be true. That is a lie. Get your dictionary out!

The Black Hand said:
You are just a LIAR VP. Why? You're blinded by the obsession with being right as Camus said.

As it goes I've been working with Tyne & Wear Left Unity as they will tell you if you ask (i've publicised this on U75), I've been leafletting with the PSA in Sunderland, and organising other events that have been publisized on U75 eg. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/th...do-about-the-cuts-Tuesday-19th-Oct-Sunderland
WHY ARE YOU LYING? That's reactionary crap.
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ViolentPanda said:
I'm not lying. Why would I need to?
And to be blunt, so what if you've been "Tyne & Wear Left Unity" and doing other workaday stuff that most activists don't bother to mention. Anyone but you would feel embarrassed to call their everyday activism "building the actual opposition".

Fucking hell, the sheer hubris! :D :D :D
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The Black Hand said:
GIve it a rest VP - your past it, its you who are defeated along with the other lame keyboard warriors around here. You have nothing, no groups no movement no events, nothing. This thread has gone ape on this issue and it didn't do that with rule changes for the unemployed or the disabled.
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How about engaging in some re-reading of the thread, and a spot of reflexivity?
FACT.
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I'm sure you're cognisant of current thinking on the veracity of people who support themselves through emphasing the word "fact". :)
AS I have indicated elsewhere I try several things, with different groups, I am impossible to pigeonhole as you are lamely trying to do VP. FAIL FAIL again for the impotent keyboard warriors on U75 (epic fail week after week month after month year after year). That fills me with no joy btw, but it is accurate description of the ultra left on U75...
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The only pigeonhole I've ever put you in is the one marked "self-obsessed", and it fits pretty well.
 
The Black Hand said:
What you did shouldn't happen....
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You chose to make the "revelations", I've merely repeated your own "outing" of yourself back at you. You'd have a point if you hadn't outed yourself numerous times.
And, as I said, all you have to do is ask nicely rather than order.
 
ViolentPanda said:
How about engaging in some re-reading of the thread, and a spot of reflexivity?

I'm sure you're cognisant of current thinking on the veracity of people who support themselves through emphasing the word "fact". :)

The only pigeonhole I've ever put you in is the one marked "self-obsessed", and it fits pretty well.
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I'm pretty sure the thread about child benefit and some of us felt that attacking the rich is a good thing, even tho we knew its part of a wider agenda thats what we felt. I, ever sensitive and others also identified a universal defence posturing that we felt was rah rah - defending something online that couldn't impact in the real world. FACT.

FACT is that's how I see it and I couldn't care less about 'current thinking' on FACT. Self obsessed? Not enough!! I should do it far far more:) Trouble is I think too much about escaping the ultra left and having serious political impact....
 
The Black Hand said:
Rah rah defend universalism. Brilliant. I really can't be bothered to pretend I care about what the TOries do, I'm far too busy building the actual opposition & having a life.

You're all sooo lame on here and in the real world.... My problem is not with the old left and a Keynesian welfare state, my problem is impotent lefties who haven't got a clue how to build a movement of resistance and spout bullshite endlessly on u75, pretending to have a coherent principled opposition but in reality stroking their own inflated egos and not having ANY capability of putting it into practice. Or ANY resistance come to that. That's the real issue for the real world, and on that Louis you are not so much silent but rather turning around and refusing to confront the issues and turning your back on practice.
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This is all jolly amusing.
 
The Black Hand said:
Rah rah defend universalism. Brilliant. I really can't be bothered to pretend I care about what the TOries do, I'm far too busy building the actual opposition & having a life.
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What are you 'busy building the actual opposition' to; doesn't it include what the tories are doing? Try thinking rather than reacting. It would have stopped you jumping in and making a fool of your self; which in turn would have saved you and everybody else from the pages of increasingly incoherent attempts at distraction/face saving which follow the above little dim witted gem.

Louis MacNeice

p.s. cat got your tongue on GP services or perhaps you've got something to say on the attack on top civil servants pensions?
 
The Black Hand said:
Rah rah defend universalism. Brilliant. I really can't be bothered to pretend I care about what the TOries do, I'm far too busy building the actual opposition & having a life.

You're all sooo lame on here and in the real world.... My problem is not with the old left and a Keynesian welfare state, my problem is impotent lefties who haven't got a clue how to build a movement of resistance and spout bullshite endlessly on u75, pretending to have a coherent principled opposition but in reality stroking their own inflated egos and not having ANY capability of putting it into practice. Or ANY resistance come to that. That's the real issue for the real world, and on that Louis you are not so much silent but rather turning around and refusing to confront the issues and turning your back on practice.
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doctor, heal thyself.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
What are you 'busy building the actual opposition' to; doesn't it include what the tories are doing? Try thinking rather than reacting. It would have stopped you jumping in and making a fool of your self; which in turn would have saved you and everybody else from the pages of increasingly incoherent attempts at distraction/face saving which follow the above little dim witted gem.

Louis MacNeice

p.s. cat got your tongue on GP services or perhaps you've got something to say on the attack on top civil servants pensions?
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not now louis :mad: not when he's building the opposition :mad:
 
The Black Hand said:
I am sure Butchers is not alone, and that there are several ultra leftists with such stressful angst that they can't manage with the real world and take it out on the poor people on U75. After all its far easier, week after week month after month year after year to bleat on endlessly on U75 without affecting the real world whatsoever or doing anything at all meaningful in that real world. Their lack of movement is as irrelevant as the pure drivel and party lines they try to impose on the rest of us.
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if Tory Blair had any sense instead of trying to set up a big brother state he shoulda just set up a forum. Hey presto all the opposition bitching amoongst each other on t'internet all day!
 
weltweit said:
I can see that there is a point about universality.

But it is also wrong that ordinary people are paying taxes to give someone on £60,000 pa (or much more) child benefit.
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this is exactly my point that i have been trying to get through to them all along
 
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