Hamlet v Eastbourne Borough - Boxing Day Wednesday 26 December 2018
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sleaterkinney
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Yeah, we could do with a few portaloos.
pompeydunc
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I heard the quote to install in time for Boxing Day was ridiculous. Think they are on their way though...
A disappointing 1 0 defeat for our return to Champion Hill. Its ridiculous that half our team has been dismissed by Moroccan Sunset over Gavin’s head.
PartisanDulwich
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hiraethified
There's 20% of the Mrs Mills Experience in that photo!
ForwardHamlet
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I've just remembered the mince pies hahaha!
Pink Panther
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He did. The only time I really noticed him was when he allowed the game to start at 2.59pm, one of my pet hates and particularly unacceptable when it's a massive crowd with people still queuing to get in.
RabbleLevi
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I thought overall the ref was good, fair and protected our players from some of the pushing and grabbing that others would not give.
BUT...I did not hear the ref blow for the quick free quick that Eastbourne consequently scored from and even if he did I was a little pissed of at how he was not evening facing the free kick when it was taken. We defended it the best we could but I rarely see refs letting us take quick free kicks and always pulling us back allowing the other team to get every man behind the ball. I though the free kick should have been re-taken.
Quite right too.
There's no law stating the referee must blow for a free kick to be taken. It is is basically up to the attacking team unless the referee takes control.
Typically the referee will allow a quick free kick - subject to no other laws being breached such as a moving ball. If the attackers choose not to take the free kick quickly they will take over and enforce the rules about distance from the ball for defenders etc At that point they will not permit a free kick until they blow.
If the referee has permitted a quick free kick with no moving ball, from the correct location, then that is good refereeing. If every other ref in the league gets it wrong that's their issue and not this officials problem.
Can't comment on their positioning as I wasn't there. There are many valid potential reasons why the ref may be looking elsewhere though. Frankly the ball position is about the least likely place on the pitch for an incident at that point. My guess is pre match they instructed their assistant in the other half to watch free kick locations until they took over. It was a fairy common request when I officiated. There are three officials for that reason. It was always quite entertaining when lining to see the bemused look on players faces as they tried to interpret pre-agreed signals I made to the referee.
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There's no law stating the referee must blow for a free kick to be taken. It is is basically up to the attacking team unless the referee takes control.
Typically the referee will allow a quick free kick - subject to no other laws being breached such as a moving ball. If the attackers choose not to take the free kick quickly they will take over and enforce the rules about distance from the ball for defenders etc At that point they will not permit a free kick until they blow.
If the referee has permitted a quick free kick with no moving ball, from the correct location, then that is good refereeing. If every other ref in the league gets it wrong that's their issue and not this officials problem.
Can't comment on their positioning as I wasn't there. There are many valid potential reasons why the ref may be looking elsewhere though. Frankly the ball position is about the least likely place on the pitch for an incident at that point. My guess is pre match they instructed their assistant in the other half to watch free kick locations until they took over. It was a fairy common request when I officiated. There are three officials for that reason. It was always quite entertaining when lining to see the bemused look on players faces as they tried to interpret pre-agreed signals I made to the referee.
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RabbleLevi
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I posted a few months ago about when a free kick ceases to be an advantage (the reason I brought up the Eastbourne goal). For example, if a team are clearly on top and the opposition are trying to break up play/ slow the game down they will often commit small fouls in the middle of pitch. If the attacking team can’t take the free kick quickly or the referee blows for a quick free kick to be taken again where does the advantage lie? The opposition already have 11 men behind the ball, organised and ready to defend the free kick.
Dulwich at present like to play the ball on the floor and I’ve seen opposition teams far to easily defend a 1-0 lead because the can comfortably foul/ shirt pull in the middle of the park and then get organised. Thoughts?
Paula_G
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May be wrong but don’t think we have ever had a kick off put back due to crowd congestion at home? Seem to recall it happened at Maidstone the first time we travelled to their new ground.
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hiraethified
Kick off times always seem quite loose in non league compared to the carefully choreographed, TV-schedule-adhering bigger league stuff.
Pink Panther
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FFS Griff, I'm not sure if you're being serious or trolling. I'm not suggesting that the kick-off should have been "put back" I'm suggesting that it should have taken place at the correct time, i.e. 3pm, not 2.59pm.
Paying spectators passing through the turnstiles before the scheduled kick off time should not find the match is already underway
I would hope we NEVER delay kick offs because of queues outside... just get there earlier! If you delay kick offs due to congestion people expect that every game.
Blitzwalker
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Now that the dust has settled, wow what a day!
On reflection, I suppose the sell-out on Boxing Day after a 297 day exile shouldn’t have been a surprise but it was an utter joy to see the families coming back into the ground. The sheer pleasure of seeing people greeting each other like long-lost friends and I simply lost count of the times I heard the phrase “it’s great to be back” during the day.
Huge thanks to all those who have worked so hard to get Champion Hill back to life and yesterday all that hard work paid off. What a club, what a group of supporters, what a community.
On reflection, I suppose the sell-out on Boxing Day after a 297 day exile shouldn’t have been a surprise but it was an utter joy to see the families coming back into the ground. The sheer pleasure of seeing people greeting each other like long-lost friends and I simply lost count of the times I heard the phrase “it’s great to be back” during the day.
Huge thanks to all those who have worked so hard to get Champion Hill back to life and yesterday all that hard work paid off. What a club, what a group of supporters, what a community.
PartisanDulwich
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Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
Not what I was suggesting, was just wondering whether anyone could recall a Dulwich game where kickoff had been delayed due to crowd congestion as in that game at Maidstone a few years back.
Cyclodunc
Where's the slam tent, mate?
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Pink Panther
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OK, sorry but I get annoyed when matches start early. It's like walking onto a station platform just before your train is due to see it pulling out.
I don't recall one of our home games being delayed due to queuing, and as Mishi says they shouldn't be. Everyone knows it's a big game, you can't expect to stroll in without queuing, but equally there's no excuse to make a few more miss the kick-off by starting early.
Blitzwalker
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I'm largely with you on this - we all know the time printed on the ticket and you then make allowances accordingly for travelling and whether or not it is a 'big' occasion. Boxing Day ticked all those boxes, public transport reduced, a massive game (in our context) and so you allow extra time to get there. I was amazed that people were still expressing surprise at the turnstiles when (15 minutes before kick off) we were telling them that we literally only had a handful of cash tickets remaining and that they needed to buy them now or risk not getting in.
I think the only time you should legitimately delay the kick off is if there are greater forces at work - i.e. a major unexpected road closure that stops large numbers arriving, an unexpected public transport foul-up - but even then, I'm not sure about the rightness of doing it at our level of football, unless it means that some players or match officials are delayed. In the professional game with larger attendances, then fair enough for safety reasons - you don't want several thousand people all trying to get in at the last minute. We've seen the consequences of that.
cg__
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Were there still cash tickets left that close to kick-off? I grabbed 3 tickets at 1:20pm and asked the bloke how many they had left (just to validate my own decision to get there 1h30mins early) and he said he only had about 20 left in his booklet
Pink Panther
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There will always be a minority of people genuinely running to a tight schedule becasuse of other commitments, but it's amazed me for years now, ever since our attendances soared towards 1,000 and beyond, how many people turn up with less than 15 minutes to spare. There have been times when I've strolled in at 2.30 with barely any queue, yet by kick off from the back of the stand I can see a queue stretching right back out of the car park.
I remember the play-off final at Bognor two seasons ago when the kick off was put back by 15 minutes because of the queues. I travelled from London for that and made sure I was inside the ground an hour before kick off. Our players went through their usual pre-match routine, then were left kicking their heels for 15 minutes waiting for the match to start. You could argue it was the same for both sides, but Bognor were at home whereas our players had travelled a fair distance. It just felt all wrong, and I can't help thinking it contributed to us practically losing the game by half time. Why should the sensible majority who take the trouble to plan ahead be inconvenienced by a few fairweather fans who can't be bothered to get there a bit earlier?
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Blitzwalker
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Yes, I think I was that bloke who mentioned it to you - it was true at the time and we did stop cash sales briefly. However, there was then a judgment call taken on the basis of s/t holders who hadn’t pitched up (this was about 30 minutes before kick off) and on that basis, we freed up about 100 further tickets at the adjacent turnstile to mine, where there were still printed tickets remaining in his book.
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iamwithnail
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I had to buy a ticket as I couldn't find my season ticket in time, I've filed it somewhere safe. 
I'd like to add - kudos to the can bar staff - the service was way faster than it used to be, really efficient and effective, and the queues were never that bad despite it being a sellout - having the card option at that bar made it much easier/faster, too.
I'd like to add - kudos to the can bar staff - the service was way faster than it used to be, really efficient and effective, and the queues were never that bad despite it being a sellout - having the card option at that bar made it much easier/faster, too.
cg__
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Oh coincidence! Nice to meet you haha.
I'm as surprised as you are that people showed up so late to get cash tickets. As soon as I saw the photo of the queue on Twitter at 12:30 I was off in a flash to grab mine.
scousedom
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Yep, completely agree. Those guys really knew what they were doing. I joined the queue there about 335, which historically would’ve been touch and go to get a beer before the second half. I was served within three minutes I reckon.I had to buy a ticket as I couldn't find my season ticket in time, I've filed it somewhere safe.
I'd like to add - kudos to the can bar staff - the service was way faster than it used to be, really efficient and effective, and the queues were never that bad despite it being a sellout - having the card option at that bar made it much easier/faster, too.
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