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Anyone here attending the protest on Saturday against cuts to S4C funding and incorporation into BBC?

I will go, but only to protest against the bleatings of the pampered Welsh speaking media set, who want to plead special ringfencing and protection for their cosy little set-up. Not that I want Welsh language broadcasting to be done away with entirely, but I think the present situation is a great opportunity for the Welsh (English-speaking) majority to make its voice heard. Which I intend to do.
 
My sister and her bf will be there. But largely because he works at S4C, and his job may be at risk, rather than any great support for S4C's ethos (which, as far as I can understand, involves a commitment to producing crap Welsh-language versions of popular English-language programmes).
 
S4C is a joke. It doesn't have a single show that gets enough viewers to get a BARB rating point. Ever. It's a financial hole.
 
kyser_soze said:
S4C is a joke. It doesn't have a single show that gets enough viewers to get a BARB rating point. Ever. It's a financial hole.
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O RLY?

The fact it is a minority language channel kind of defeats the point of getting BARB ratings.

It is not a financial hole, it supports 2,250 jobs in the independent TV production sector, and generates £87m of private sector revenue.

Here's the truth about the anti-Welsh fabrication that "S4C gets literally zero viewers"
http://broken-tv.blogspot.com/2010/10/you-have-not-been-watching.html

Haters gonna hate.
 
Silurian said:
What was the English equivalent of this then, the best show in British broadcasting history, ever?

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I'm not saying that's all they've ever done. I remember Pelydr X years back was a great Welsh-language satire series.

But they produce a hell of a lot of unoriginal dross :(

Was never a big fan of Frank & Frank tbh.
 
I used to buy TV. C4 can't include S4C in it's ratings packages because it's viewing figures are sooo teeny. Just because it's a minority channel doesn't mean it's exempt from BARB ratings when it comes to buying ad space on it.
 
I used to watch Sgorio when i was still into european football but i gave up a few years back. Seems like i wasn't the only one as it recored viewing figures of zero for an edition earlier in the year. Zero.
 
kyser_soze said:
I used to buy TV. C4 can't include S4C in it's ratings packages because it's viewing figures are sooo teeny. Just because it's a minority channel doesn't mean it's exempt from BARB ratings when it comes to buying ad space on it.
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Yeah but it's a minority language channel, only 1% of the UK population can speak Welsh fluently, it isn't exempt from those ratings fair enough, but how is a minority language channel supposed to be commercially viable in terms of "ad space"? The role of S4C is cultural and creative, not to sell ad space. The viewing figures are relatively strong. Suggesting S4C is watched by nobody is an anti-Welsh con usually propagated by cultural imperialists and free marketeers. Not saying you're one- I have no idea who you are- but the anti-S4C agenda is being driven by right-wingers and neo-colonialists. It must be resisted.

I question whether "zero" actually means not a single human, it's more to do with terminology as far as I know, particularly as I know for a fact that Sgorio is one of the best S4C programmes.

S4C is an extremely productive use of public money and it is right that broadcasting should be state sponsored rather than market-driven.
 
lewislewis said:
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I question whether "zero" actually means not a single human, it's more to do with terminology as far as I know, particularly as I know for a fact that Sgorio is one of the best S4C programmes.

S4C is an extremely productive use of public money and it is right that broadcasting should be state sponsored rather than market-driven.
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Zero means under 2500. It could be zero, or it could be 2499 but it appears in BARB as zero.
 
butchersapron said:
I used to watch Sgorio when i was still into european football but i gave up a few years back. Seems like i wasn't the only one as it recored viewing figures of zero for an edition earlier in the year. Zero.
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I watch sgorio still. Zero figure thing was a con - they have a thousand households across the UK which are recorded. If not one of those 1000 homes watches sgorio then it records zero. Bollocks. How many of that small sample can even recieve S4C?

I'd watched the sgorio they were banging on about having had no viewers, btw. So it had at least one.
 
Not saying you're one- I have no idea who you are- but the anti-S4C agenda is being driven by right-wingers and neo-colonialists. It must be resisted.
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Having it folded into the BBC would probably do more to safeguard it than expecting C4 - a commercial organisation - to keep fuding it.
 
Proper Tidy said:
I watch sgorio still. Zero figure thing was a con - they have a thousand households across the UK which are recorded. If not one of those 1000 homes watches sgorio then it records zero. Bollocks. How many of that small sample can even recieve S4C?

I'd watched the sgorio they were banging on about having had no viewers, btw. So it had at least one.
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That's handy eh? :D
 
Best thing would be to integrate so many hours a week into normal channels as used tobe the case, the language doesnt need its own tv channel to survive. Are we expected to believe that welsh speakers only watch s4C and that they are never tempted to watch Sky1 or Channel 5 or any other channel.
 
I watched a bit of BBC Alba last night trying to explain British minority languages to my French and Polish flatmates.

I couldn't understand a thing :D
 
Good lord, you've been wrong in virtually every post you've made. I have access to BARB ratings and everything you've said about S4C's viewing figures are wrong. And its not funded by Channel4, its funded by the DCMS. I'm all in favour of an open debate about S4C (Christ knows its needed) but try using facts maybe?
 
1927 said:
Best thing would be to integrate so many hours a week into normal channels as used tobe the case, the language doesnt need its own tv channel to survive. Are we expected to believe that welsh speakers only watch s4C and that they are never tempted to watch Sky1 or Channel 5 or any other channel.
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That was sometimes really frustrating though, as a non-Welsh speaking Welsh person. When we used to get S4C and not Channel 4, we'd miss out on loads of good stuff, or it would be on two weeks later at 1 in the morning.

Before that, I never saw Trumpton because of Welsh language children's shows. They used to pick on really odd things to replace.

Not saying there shouldn't be Welsh language TV, just that as an English speaker, it was sometimes annoying that it meant missing out on English language stuff.

The Welsh language rock shows were good though. :)
 
Macsacel said:
Good lord, you've been wrong in virtually every post you've made. I have access to BARB ratings and everything you've said about S4C's viewing figures are wrong. And its not funded by Channel4, its funded by the DCMS. I'm all in favour of an open debate about S4C (Christ knows its needed) but try using facts maybe?
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Finally, some sense!

The anti-S4C posters on here are mostly getting their facts wrong.
 
Anyone know what that welsh speaking series on SC4 was where live animals talked and drove cars? The main character was a duck. 80s.
 
told you before! Will Kwak Kwak

as to S pedwar C, leave it be you non Welsh meddlers! :mad:
 
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