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anyway, with what i budgeted for getting another pen and what i paid for it, i can now get a bottle of ink for the parker as well.

not sure what i should have paid, but i'd guess a little more than £2.49.
 
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anyway, with what i budgeted for getting another pen and what i paid for it, i can now get a bottle of ink for the parker as well.

not sure what i should have paid, but i'd guess a little more than £2.49.
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Great. If your pen and ink are cheap enough to use as often as you like, you'll have less of an excuse not to use them. Which means your handwriting will improve, even allowing for dyslexia. :cool:
 
ok, my young man is starting to get quite into the idea of creating his own characters for cartoons. he does som things on the computer, but i was thinking it might be a nice idea to get him a set of a pen with interchangable nibs and some coloured drawing inks and a book with nice paper for him to practice with. could someone please point me in the direction of a beginner freindly kit (with a student friendly price)
 
It'll only ever be a side thing for most illustrators though, for serious colouring you want to be looking at stuff like letraset Tria, which use Pantone colours.

e2a: Pantone being industry standard for colour matching.
 
with ink colours, i'd be tempted to take a look at the stuff on his computer and pick a black plus 3 colours t tsart with that he is using the most. he can save up to get more.
 
Cid said:
It'll only ever be a side thing for most illustrators though, for serious colouring you want to be looking at stuff like letraset Tria, which use Pantone colours.

e2a: Pantone being industry standard for colour matching.
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he's 14, main aim is engineering. this is a hobby not a career plan i think.
 
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ok, my young man is starting to get quite into the idea of creating his own characters for cartoons. he does som things on the computer, but i was thinking it might be a nice idea to get him a set of a pen with interchangable nibs and some coloured drawing inks and a book with nice paper for him to practice with. could someone please point me in the direction of a beginner freindly kit (with a student friendly price)
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My first choice would be Rotring Isograph pens, but the price ISN'T student-friendly at anything from £15-25 per pen (depending on fineness of point). 2nd choice would be Rotring Artpens - classic old-fashioned nibbed drawing pens in different nib widths, but still £10-14 each.
Usual issues with changing ink colours - have to flush pen - but that isn't a bad thing in and of itself. It means you have to let your lines dry before you colour. :)

There are several decent disposable art/technical pens on the market, too. Edding's Profipen range comes in 4 nib-widths and 4 colours and are about £3 each. Could be best to start with disposables, then buy Isographs (or Artpens) as or when he gets used to using the disposables. That'd also allow you to spread the cost of the expensive stuff!
 
Has anyone used scribblers.co.uk ? I've seen some really good dip pen nibs on their website and have made a small order. They have non-waterproof sepia ink. I'm going to do some pen and wash for the first time in 35 years :)
 
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ok, my young man is starting to get quite into the idea of creating his own characters for cartoons. he does som things on the computer, but i was thinking it might be a nice idea to get him a set of a pen with interchangable nibs and some coloured drawing inks and a book with nice paper for him to practice with. could someone please point me in the direction of a beginner freindly kit (with a student friendly price)
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Dip pens might be his best bet. It's a cheap way of getting a range of nibs of differing widths. He can get some ink cheaply, and buy more as and when he can afford it. How about this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joseph-Gi...Crafts_DrawingSupplies_EH&hash=item4153586381

And maybe some 30mm bottles of ink, direct from Diamine. A red, yellow, blue, green, black, and brown would be a great start, and would give him the basis for mixing some of his own colours. They cost £2.67 each. http://www.diamineinks.co.uk/listings.aspx?catid=67

And maybe £4 for a plain Rhodia No.19 pad (though he might want to progress to something bigger than A4 in time). http://www.bureaudirect.co.uk/rhodia-a4-pads-no-19/p1553#tdesc_6

That's about £30 for a decent starters kit, I reckon. And, if he likes it, he can get some bigger pads, and more inks, before progressing to better pens.
 
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he's 14, main aim is engineering. this is a hobby not a career plan i think.
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They're industry standard for hand rendered concept drawing etc too - or at least they were when people still did it. Hand colouring is very useful for any design based career though (bearing in mind plenty of engineers, especially ones who enjoy illustration etc, will branch off into product design, car design etc), partly as a way of understanding colours from the ground up, partly as an impressive thing to be able to do in design meetings, with clients etc... And just another creative skill to have under your belt when you're trying to visualise something.

The letraset promarkers are a very good starter pen actually, you can blend them, build them up etc... Cheaper than the Trias, set of 12 is about £20 iirc.
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Has anyone used scribblers.co.uk ? I've seen some really good dip pen nibs on their website and have made a small order. They have non-waterproof sepia ink. I'm going to do some pen and wash for the first time in 35 years :)
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Nah, but they've got an oblique pen holder I'm very tempted by. Also want to try some illumination/gilding.
 
interesting.

so this will give him a few options.

he's already sulking that he can't do something arty as one of his gcse options. 4 options, he needs the sciences and he's got his heart set on a car mechanics course. he's doing pretty well for himself atm, so i wanted to combine a reward for that and let him know that he can keep going with other things for himself.
 
Cid said:
They're industry standard for hand rendered concept drawing etc too - or at least they were when people still did it. Hand colouring is very useful for any design based career though (bearing in mind plenty of engineers, especially ones who enjoy illustration etc, will branch off into product design, car design etc), partly as a way of understanding colours from the ground up, partly as an impressive thing to be able to do in design meetings, with clients etc... And just another creative skill to have under your belt when you're trying to visualise something.
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the shipyard did my apprenticeship in had a tracing department to make "pretty" drawings out of engineering plans. Now that's a lost art. I am not sure drawing by hand is taught much anymore, probably not even in drawing offices, but it's a good skill to have. It amazes me how many naval architects there are with terrible handwriting
 
My university all our drawings for the first year were by hand... That was the Bartlett though (UCL architecture), which is a very arty course... I think there's actually a bit of a resurgence, courses are so popular now that people really have to distinguish themselves to get in, art A-level is compulsory for some now.
 
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