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Film club: One year of Steven Seagal

On Deadly Ground is?
Yes, by miles. The dream/shamanic sequence is amazing. There's an amazing scene early on in which a heavy almost thanks Seagal for beating him up and teaching him a lesson. Caine has the worst dye job ever. A terrible film but gloriously and unforgettably so.
 
Out for Justice was a really interesting one. Its not the Godfather and its not Goodfellas, and Italian-Americans probably hate it, but for all that, as per usual, theres an element of gritiness in amongst all the cartoonishness that feels real somehow. And this might be the only film in his entire career in which he genuinely acts - he does a Bronx Italian accent and everything! I enjoyed this one a lot tbh.

And next up was Under Siege which was better than I remember it - apart from a couple of really cheesey moments and some shitty sideplot with the playboy model, its a classic action film...reminded me a lot of Die Hard in fact. Strong supporting cast.

Next though is On Deadly Ground which Im not hopeful about!
I watched US again recently - awesome Steven Seagal, I mean SEAGULL :cool:
 
Yes, by miles. The dream/shamanic sequence is amazing. There's an amazing scene early on in which a heavy almost thanks Seagal for beating him up and teaching him a lesson. Caine has the worst dye job ever. A terrible film but gloriously and unforgettably so.

:D
this film is utter shit!
not sure about the gloriously so either ;)
first and last time they let him direct it would seem
im not sure i can make it to the end, but im going to hang around for the shamanic bit
 
Yes, by miles. The dream/shamanic sequence is amazing. There's an amazing scene early on in which a heavy almost thanks Seagal for beating him up and teaching him a lesson. Caine has the worst dye job ever. A terrible film but gloriously and unforgettably so.
i take it back, you're absolutely right about this one! an amazing piece of work
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there are lots of shit films out there but its not often you get so many big name actors and a big budget in such a consistently bad film ... its a classic! almost every scene has got something wrong with it
 
Re the speech:

"The final scene when Forrest Taft gives the speech about the oil companies and air pollution, was originally 11 minutes long. Audiences complained that it was overlong and preachy. The scene was re-edited before release."
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also: Steven Seagal agreed to appear in Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (1995) if Warner Bros. allowed him to direct this film.

tbf to him for a vanity project it shows a nice side of him that he wanted to do this film with a message - even if he does play a killer-jesus in it
He didn't end up directing it though. There's an interesting story on IMDb there about Gary Busey being hired to play the villain despite being blown up in the first film. For contractual reasons, Seagal had to pay him out of his own pocket anyway
 
see if you did this with arnie you'd come up with a years list of films that actually contain moments of true glory. Predator. Twins. The first two terminator films. Granted, you'd end up watching that one where he is the first man to ever give birth by december, but that is a small price to pay.
Have you seen Sabotage? He's in it for about 15 mins - hosting a BBQ, futzing a spreadsheet and sitting on a sofa while his team *dont* shoot him. It's got a shit twist and lots of mavericky-mercenary-but-actually-cops crap in it. A billion times better than Genysis :thumbs:
 
Have you seen Sabotage? He's in it for about 15 mins - hosting a BBQ, futzing a spreadsheet and sitting on a sofa while his team *dont* shoot him. It's got a shit twist and lots of mavericky-mercenary-but-actually-cops crap in it. A billion times better than Genysis :thumbs:
Arnie playing a cowboy, outwitting a bandit in a slapstick, live action take on Roadrunner



I used to love this as a kid. I bet it's fucking shite.
 
Sad to say I was disappointed with Under Seige 2. Yes it has lots of fun elements, but compared to the early films its a real step down
-so many stupid things happen that it gets ridiculous... eye rolls a plenty
-some of the characters are just wrong
-what used to happen is whatever else was going on in the film the violent sections felt real and gritty - thats all but gone now - stylistically the fights are similar but the notion of consequence and reality are gone

Amusing enough a film, but the things that made the early films genuinely good are missing

Next up is Executive Decision, although Kurt Russell is in the lead role here, so not really a proper Seagal movie i guess.... tempted to skip it and go to The Glimmer Man
 
The Glimmer Man! I like this one! Feels and looks like a 90s TV movie, though it had a budget of 45 fucking million dollars. So much money - no idea where it went. Just about nearly broke even supposedly.

Pros: there's a real story line, that develops, with something approaching character arcs
A few really well executed fight scenes
On the whole an attempt to make a serious film
Some okay script moments
The pairing with Keenen Wayans works in terms of their chemistry (but was ruined by some weird 'joke' lines for Wayans character)
Steven's character had an interesting backstory

Negatives:
All the usual - edited to death to fit to 90mins, getting the tone all wrong/jumping from serious to jokey, truly terrible script moments, Steven seems not be trying all that hard - generally breezes through this one

Despite that its in the good column, though not really one to rewatch in a hurry.
 
Sad to say I was disappointed with Under Seige 2. Yes it has lots of fun elements, but compared to the early films its a real step down
-so many stupid things happen that it gets ridiculous... eye rolls a plenty
-some of the characters are just wrong
-what used to happen is whatever else was going on in the film the violent sections felt real and gritty - thats all but gone now - stylistically the fights are similar but the notion of consequence and reality are gone

Amusing enough a film, but the things that made the early films genuinely good are missing

Next up is Executive Decision, although Kurt Russell is in the lead role here, so not really a proper Seagal movie i guess.... tempted to skip it and go to The Glimmer Man
I fucking love his knife-deflecting hand moves, which feature prominently in the climax fight in Under Siege 2, and probably in a bunch of other films too. It's so hypnotic I reckon it would work too :D
 
I fucking love his knife-deflecting hand moves, which feature prominently in the climax fight in Under Siege 2, and probably in a bunch of other films too. It's so hypnotic I reckon it would work too :D
Under Siege 1 has a big one
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Fire Down Below was incredible - on the one hand its a slow paced Southern character romantic drama with genuinely brilliant performances from Kris Kristoffeson and especially Harry Dean Stanton - more themes of social justice, corporate corruption and land pollution (as in On Deadly Ground) then throw in Steven Seagall in a leather jacket snapping arms and smirking through it all and its a classic!

Sixty Million Dollars this cost!! The Matrix cost 60 million.... amazing...it lost a lot of money.... but in a way I reckon this might be one of the closes to a real film Steven Seagall films...some of it was genuinely good as a serious film!
 
Just caught him reading this on his lunch break :facepalm: :D

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review

Funny, amusing and strangely thought-provoking
By A. Whitehead TOP 500 REVIEWERVINE VOICE on 11 July 2008

Vern is the guy who used to write reviews of action movies for Ain't It Cool News, mostly low-budget, direct-to-video/DVD stuff that most people wouldn't touch with a bargepole. Whilst writing these reviews he'd engender a lot of debate and flamewars with one exception: the movies of Steven Seagal. It turned out that there are many fans of the Seagal out there, people who watch his movies religiously, drink cans of Steven Seagal's Lightning Bolt (his own energy drink) and listen to his albums whilst analysing the themes and motifs of his work. And some of them weren't being all cool and ironic. Fascinated, Vern set out on a mission to watch and review all of Seagal's movies. This proved difficult, as Seagal was entering his most prolific period to date. However, with his next couple of pictures delayed, Vern was finally able to catch up and write a book about his experiences.

This is a very good book. It's genuinely funny, interesting and, in its own way, incredibly barmy. Vern isn't writing serious film criticism here but he's also not taking the mickey either. He obviously respects Seagal (and given how many people he's thrown through windows over the years this is probably a good thing) and is genuinely interested in what makes his films tick.

An early discovery is that Seagal is a left-wing action star, which immediately puts him in a different boat to Schwarznegger, Stallone etc. His films usually don't portray America in the best light, and the most common theme between them is how corrupt the CIA can be and how the US' own developments in areas like WMDs are not really helping make the world a safer place. By analysing the motifs that repeat themselves in every single movie, Vern draws some interesting conclusions.

Most of the book is taken up by a film-by-film analysis of his works. There are 27 movies here, ranging from the very-well-known action flick Under Siege to the debacle that is Submerged. Vern clearly loves the early movies, when Seagal is younger, does all his own stunts and the plots are pretty straightforward, generally a variation on the "Bad guy killed his partner/wife or kidnapped his daughter/pen-pal and he has to sort it out," set-up. The first movie or two are generic action flicks enlivened by Seagal's slightly unorthodox fighting abilities, but very quickly we start seeing some of Seagal's iconic touches coming in as he becomes able to exert influence on the movie's direction. He starts wearing some rididculous outfits, gets a ponytail, and delivers message about karma. Vern points to On Deadly Ground as being a vital point in Seagal's movie development, namely the legendary bar fight scene where, having defeated his goons, Seagal suddenly neutralises the bad guy by playing a weird game with him and then engaging him in a debate about if it is possible to change the essence of a man whilst stirring, epic music plays in the background.

From then on, it's insanity all the way as Seagal stops some villains from blowing up a petrol station with a stick of dynamite by shooting the burning fuse off the dynamite whilst it's tumbling in mid-air, saves the USA from a horrific virus by spraying the countryside with flowers from a helicopter and travels across the planet to save his teenage pen-pal after he's sold into white slavery, even though Seagal hasn't actually been told this and just guesses randomly that something is up. Along the way, he plays cops, ex-CIA agents, ex-Navy SEAL chefs, and a respected expert in Chinese archaeology serving at Yale (but who actually turns out to be the male, retired version of Lara Croft). He fights the mafia, yakuza, corrupt government agents, drug-dealers and bent cops with guns, martial arts, swords, a snooker ball wrapped in a handkerchief and, on one bizarre occasion, a credit card. He throws dozens of people through windows and narrowly avoids enormous explosions on countless occasions. On one occasion he even dies, which is rather jarring.

You also find out more information than you ever needed to know about the formulation of energy drinks and Steven Seagal's musical career. I must admit I found the revelation of his musical background to be pretty cringe-inducing, but a quick trip to YouTube reveals that Seagal is a surprisingly accomplished guitarist, although his vocal range is limited. He even has a few decent reggae, funk and blues songs up there. I mean, Jimmy Cliff doesn't need to start worrying about the competition, but it's light-years beyond most actor-turned-musician projects (Dogstar comes immediately to mind).

Vern's central thesis, that Seagal is an auteur film-maker who imprints all his movies, even the ones not written specifically for him, with his own interests and unique sensibility in a way that Chuck Norris or Jean-Claude Van Damme do not, is hard to refute. This is partially what makes the book a success. The other part is that it is absolutely hilarious. Whenever Vern seems to be getting a bit too serious about his ideological analysis of the politics of the films or something, he'll drop in a casual comment or train of thought that will leave you giggling like a fool. By the time you reach the end of the book you can't help but agree with Vern that there is something interesting going on with some of these movies beyond a surface reading.

Complaints? Well, if reading a book makes you want to go and watch Attack Force or Submerged, it's probably not an entirely good thing. Also, the later DTV movies tend to blur into one and it's rather hard at times to care enough about some random awful film you're never going to watch to read a ten-page analysis of it, but Vern ususally drops in enough interesting analysis or comedy to make it all worthwhile.
 
I want Hatcher dead. I want his family. Dead. Screwface was one scary villain.

Great to see jimmy cliff in this scene.

 
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