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cillaB said:
Foo, is your tagline from the book, Ethical slut?

oh yes - yes it is. D mentioned it. i liked it, and i thought it was apt.

re: the book. i'm not polywotsit though* (thought i'd better mention that quickly) :)



*i'm not really a slut either.

bit of a let down all round me.
 
Hah. It's an interesting book - I read it a few years ago when I was trying to be both a slut and ethical. It's a bit aspirational - as I recall skates over the problems polyamory could lead to. (Not that I ever lived the life = just slept with a lot of ramdom people!)
 
Pat Barker! How could I forgot her? I voted for her as best British living author. Her books are utterly overwhelming in their humanity. She's like a fiction version of Gitta Sereny.
 
cillaB said:
Hah. It's an interesting book - I read it a few years ago when I was trying to be both a slut and ethical. It's a bit aspirational - as I recall skates over the problems polyamory could lead to. (Not that I ever lived the life = just slept with a lot of ramdom people!)

i've lost track of which book you refer to here (sorry to be dense)
 
Vixen said:
It's certainly the case that Atwood has written some excellent books, but also some not so good* books. I love her and love a lot of her stuff, but I have been pretty disappointed with some of it too.

The Blind Assasin is far superior to much of her other stuff IMO. And I've read quite a lot of her stuff.

*she's a great writer whatever she writes, but some of her stuff is a little depressing IMO. But in a way that makes me not want to bother finishing it. But as I say, some of her stuff is most excellent.

Ace thread :)

Completely agree about Atwood. I've just put Bodily Harm in the recycling pile. Very, very uremittingly depressing :(

As well as the Blind Assassin, I really liked the Robber Bride and Alias Grace too. Her short stories are also ace - I particularly recommend Bluebeard's Egg.
 
maya said:
* Margaret Atwood- The Blind Assassin. :)

fantastic book- might take a while to get into, seems unnecessarily complicated and longwinded in the beginning (lots of viewpoint changes and many characters to remember), especially if you're not used to her style- but it grows on you, sucks you in...the language is beautiful, and the heroine definitely one to remember.
not a book to read many times perhaps, but one you'll never forget.


(actually, if you like this one i'd recommend you to have a look at all her novels, 'tis high-quality stuff.)

agreed, although I found it pretty straight foward, if you found this complicate wait until you read ulysses.
 
bruise said:
i've lost track of which book you refer to here (sorry to be dense)

It was a reference to foo's tagline

The Ethical Slut by Dossie Easton, Catherine A. Liszt, Catherine A. Lizt

Accordingto the publisher blurb

"Beyond the often unrealistic ideal of lifetime monogamy lies an uncharted jungle of delightful options -- friendly sex, casual sex, group sex and more.

In this groundbreaking volume, therapist Dossie Easton and sex educator/author Catherine A. Liszt provide a road map for exploring the sometimes difficult, often rewarding territory of non-traditional relationships. Warm, informative details about how to get your needs met, manage your jealousy, make agreements that work for all concerned, talk to your friends and relatives, and build a life full of all the sex and love you want. "


Not fiction, but very female writers
 
Re: Alias Grace - I know this is a really stupid thing to say but the fact I couldnt work out if she did it or not really bugged me. I really should reread it.

Other fab female authors for me:

Colette - her short stories, particularly the ones about the stage and the Claudine books

Anais Nin for smut material

Jeannette Winterson's Sexing the Cherry, and Oranges are not the only fruit

and I recently discovered Edith Wharton with The House of Mirth and The Age of Innocence, both of which I really enjoyed - lots of buttoned up passion and repressive society.

(this is a fab thread have just put a load of books on my Amazon list!)
 
I second alias grace. I read it in my mid teens, and it change the way I approached novels. She sets a standard so high that others naturally fall away.
Julian may - pliocene exiles, the galactic milieu. The series blew me away when I read them, caution errs on not reading them again, though definitely worth a read if you've never encountered her before.
 
does anyone like Faye Weldon's novels?

i went through a real Weldon patch in my 20s - i liked her biting humour and bitterness.

i think i probably own nearly all her novels but i can't read them now. i find them intensely irritating. not helped by hearing her on Radio4 a few times and thinking she was a bit revolting really...
 
Orang Utan said:
Pat Barker! How could I forgot her? I voted for her as best British living author. Her books are utterly overwhelming in their humanity. She's like a fiction version of Gitta Sereny.

yep. i'm glad you like her too :) as you say, the humanity of her books has had me agape with admiration. off the top of my head, i can only think of Union Street (which i think was her first).

what else has she written? there was a trilogy too wasn't there?
 
foo said:
does anyone like Faye Weldon's novels?

i went through a real Weldon patch in my 20s - i liked her biting humour and bitterness.

i think i probably own nearly all her novels but i can't read them now. i find them intensely irritating. not helped by hearing her on Radio4 a few times and thinking she was a bit revolting really...

I used to like her but I haven't reread her books for a long time. She's got some dodgy views now afaik which has made me loathe to revisit them :(
 
foo said:
yep. i'm glad you like her too :) as you say, the humanity of her books has had me agape with admiration. off the top of my head, i can only think of Union Street (which i think was her first).

what else has she written? there was a trilogy too wasn't there?
The Regeneration Trilogy and Border Crossing. Not read the others yet.
 
Orang Utan said:
The Regeneration Trilogy and Border Crossing. Not read the others yet.

deeply interesting books - i haven't read anything but that trilogy - what are the rest like? which one do i start with?

which is a question for those who rate - Toni Morrison - which novel would you recommend people start with if they haven't read any of her books? i'd be tempted with Jazz, but that's probably not a good start.

i guess another way to think about it is - they're only going to read one book so which one would it be most a tragedy not to have read

a friend tells me that I should give Banana Yoshimoto's other books another try. i can't remember which ones she said. any suggestions?
 
i haven't read any other Yoshimoto, so if you get any, gis a lend pls bruv. :)

as for Toni Morrisson, i can only think of Beloved at the mo (that is by her isn't it? )

getting back to Pat Barker. i hadn't realised The Eye in the Door was part of the trilogy :rolleyes: @ me. it's a stunning book. what's the other (last?) one called?

reading back through this thread, i'm oddly pleased to see the usuals/predictables, Bronte sisters and Austin, weren't trolllied out in first few posts....
 
trashpony said:
I used to like her but I haven't reread her books for a long time. She's got some dodgy views now afaik which has made me loathe to revisit them :(

yeh, i remember being quite shocked when i realised the twee, silly, highvoiced (not her fault i know :D ) prissy woman spouting some pretty revolting anti-feminist stuff on R4, was her.
 
Shirl said:
My favourite ever is Patricia Highsmith. I don't think anyone has mentioned her yet.


i've heard of her but no, haven't read her stuff. can you recommend any? what sort of novels does she write?

'ello btw x :)
 
bruise said:
which is a question for those who rate - Toni Morrison - which novel would you recommend people start with if they haven't read any of her books? i'd be tempted with Jazz, but that's probably not a good start.
Song of Solomon, without a shadow of a doubt, closely followed by The Bluest Eye
 
sojourner said:
Song of Solomon, without a shadow of a doubt, closely followed by The Bluest Eye

yes and yes again. :cool:

you've made me want to rummage my bookshelves - i'm sure i've got at least one of those somewhere...
 
Vixen said:

Does anyone else find that really disappointing though? She wasn't a massive heroine of mine (always a bit too clever verging on bitchy) but she was saying stuff no one else did. And then she turns into a right old reactionary.

I always take it quite personally when that happens :oops:

/derail
 
trashpony said:
Does anyone else find that really disappointing though? She wasn't a massive heroine of mine (always a bit too clever verging on bitchy) but she was saying stuff no one else did. And then she turns into a right old reactionary.

I always take it quite personally when that happens :oops:

/derail

so do i :D and as i said above, i was very disappointed - and quite shocked.
 
Re: Barker - Border Crossing is about a psychologist's relationship with a murderer. Sort of. Highly recommended. Re: Morrison - why not start with Jazz? It's mindblowing. Oh, and has no-one recommended Austen and Eliot yet? Their talent is awesome. And Woolf is conspicuous by her absence. I'm glad though cos she's not much fun to read even if she's due kudos for paving the way for others (male and female)
 
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