FA Cup First Round Proper draw - Dulwich Hamlet vs Carlisle United, Fri 8th Nov 2019
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PartisanDulwich
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yep, being frisked and checked especially round your ankles and calves - no-doubt for offensive weapons was rather novel approach.
over heard supervisor say after the game any thing to report they replied no and just sounded board
But I'am sure FA wouldn't have expected anything more - given equipment and vip's
Then again if we sneaked in spanners maybe those lights could have stayed
over heard supervisor say after the game any thing to report they replied no and just sounded board
But I'am sure FA wouldn't have expected anything more - given equipment and vip's
Then again if we sneaked in spanners maybe those lights could have stayed
blueheaven
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Knife.
It's where you'd expect to find a knife.
(I've been searched a lot.)
Is there an issue with knives being brought into the ground (or grounds in general?). If not I'd prefer not to have forced physical contact from a stranger when I'm just going to watch a football match.
cg__
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Could be used to slash an umbrella or two
tonysingh
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As I think i made clear, these ain't DHFC or even National League South specific stewards etc doing the searches. They've not been trained or whatever in handling searches for crowds at our level. I'd lay odds these lot are either door staff badged or they usually work at nightclubs, concerts or similar venues where weapons ARE common. Ergo, if they're used to searching someone for a knife and then they're plonked in se22 and told to search people, that's how they'll do it.
pettyboy
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I recently went to a gig at Shepherds Bush Empire (capacity 2,000 - less than two thirds of the crowd we had on Friday night). There I was frisked fairly heavily on entry.
Similarly, there was recently a complaint on here that someone's girlfriend wasn't allowed into the ground for the final ten minutes. Would security have let anyone into that gig for the last ten minutes if they didn't have a ticket? Of course not.
I totally understand that the security measures at Champion Hill these days are not in the spirit of non-league and can actually feel pretty invasive. But I think they're actually fairly common for events of the crowd numbers we're now regularly getting.
As tonysingh says, it's par for the course at clubs and concerts.
Similarly, there was recently a complaint on here that someone's girlfriend wasn't allowed into the ground for the final ten minutes. Would security have let anyone into that gig for the last ten minutes if they didn't have a ticket? Of course not.
I totally understand that the security measures at Champion Hill these days are not in the spirit of non-league and can actually feel pretty invasive. But I think they're actually fairly common for events of the crowd numbers we're now regularly getting.
As tonysingh says, it's par for the course at clubs and concerts.
This is fine but the Club pay these people and should be able to instruct them to act as they want them too. If we don't want the stewards to carry out body searches then we simply tell Barry the head steward to inform his security team not to do it?
pettyboy
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Is that how it works?
I don't know but it sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
jimbarkanoodle
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I'd have thought so. Either these security guards were not briefed properly, or they were told to do body searches.
They may not have been specifically told to carry out body searches, probably more that they weren't told not to do them, and as its what they may be used to for events this size then they simply did what they would always do.
Nivag
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I don't see how they can charge more. If they do, they have changed the contract and then we should be able to break it.
Not that I'm suggesting we change stewards, it is OTT to frisk (unless this is a direct response to intel) but I think they are a lot better than the previous company and we seem to get the same stewards each game, so they get to know us and vice versa.
tonysingh
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I disagree that frisking is OTT. It might seem that way if you've been going Champion Hill for x years and then it starts happening though. I think, that at this level and above, frisking and bag searches are par for the course. They might. It be what you're used to, but if we want to progress then
My only concern would be, that given we have a higher percentage of female fans, there being enough female stewards or security personnel to handle searches
No, again, it's perfectly normal. Random searches mean that some get searched, some don't
I disagree that frisking is OTT. It might seem that way if you've been going Champion Hill for x years and then it starts happening though. I think, that at this level and above, frisking and bag searches are par for the course. They might. It be what you're used to, but if we want to progress then
My only concern would be, that given we have a higher percentage of female fans, there being enough female stewards or security personnel to handle searches
No, again, it's perfectly normal. Random searches mean that some get searched, some don't
Random searches are never random.
StephenMac
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Had a great night myself.
scousedom
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Can confirm that I didn’t get any search at all, similarly that of my mate who had a bag was cursory. In fact his exact reaction was “For fuck's sake I could have got twelve cans in”.
tonysingh
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I disagree that frisking is OTT. It might seem that way if you've been going Champion Hill for x years and then it starts happening though. I think, that at this level and above, frisking and bag searches are par for the course. They might. It be what you're used to, but if we want to progress then
My only concern would be, that given we have a higher percentage of female fans, there being enough female stewards or security personnel to handle searches
No, again, it's perfectly normal. Random searches mean that some get searched, some don't
Dafuq is that emoji? I did a shrug one.
Moroccan Sunset
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There were times when the frisking was one of the highlights, frankly.
Pink Panther
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Sensible thing to me would just to challenge anyone lairy acting like an idiot.
I was barely searched, just a quick pat of my coat pockets above the waist.
I suspect a security contractor may take the stance that "if you want us to work for you we do it our way", on the basis that it's their professional reputation on the line if anything goes wrong.
With non-league in general though (as opposed to last week's big game) I'd like to know exactly what they're searching for at a typical ground with maybe 500 in attendance at a ground that can accommodate several thousand. Mainly booze I guess, or "stupid" stuff like smoke bombs. You can probably gauge whether anyone has those items stuffed into pockets without needing to frisk everyone.
The only previous time I was frisked at a Hamlet game was at Wealdstone last Easter. There was no queue as I arrived and I wasn't expecting it, then suddenly there was a steward politely asking to frisk me. I always said I'd walk away of necessary if that happened, but the guy was friendly enough so I let it go. However it was a hot sunny day and I was lightly dressed in a t-shirt and shorts. I had a water bottle in my side pocket which I immediately took out and showed him. It was obvious to anyone I had nothing else larger than a wallet or phone (which I also took out). I could have had a flick-knife in my back pocket but that wouldn't have been found.
There were stewards frisking people at the London Senior Cup semi-final at Tooting four seasons ago and I was definitely not having that, but in the end they were so slow dealing with those in front of me I just marched past and wasn't challenged.
I find it really annoying and intrusive to be treated like an irresponsible idiot when paying to attend an event, especially when (at many other clubs) they're desperate to attract more spectators and ought to be grateful to those who do come.
the 12th man
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When we came back to Champion Hill we were no longer that big fish in the Isthmian League, we were just another team in the National League.
On our return a lot of work had to be done to please both the National League and Southwark Council.
Policies, Strategies, Plans all documented for approval.
The Carlisle game was by far the biggest game our club has had to manage. Live on TV and all ticket made for even more work around the game and the one thing we could ill afford was for individuals to commit silly/dangerous acts and ultimately sabotage the club's big day.
The decision was taken on this occasion to undertake full searches not necessarily solely for weapons but considering the restrictions on alcohol and the large FA contingent in attendance we need to be seen to take the appropriate measures for such an occasion.
I don't expect supporters to like this decision but it was done to protect the good name of our club and hope those reading this understand the reasoning behind it.
In respect of the Security company we use, they work under the instructions we give them prior to each matchday. They are approachable and don't bite and Barry the Security Lead will always feed back any queries/concerns/comments to myself for us to work on.
On our return a lot of work had to be done to please both the National League and Southwark Council.
Policies, Strategies, Plans all documented for approval.
The Carlisle game was by far the biggest game our club has had to manage. Live on TV and all ticket made for even more work around the game and the one thing we could ill afford was for individuals to commit silly/dangerous acts and ultimately sabotage the club's big day.
The decision was taken on this occasion to undertake full searches not necessarily solely for weapons but considering the restrictions on alcohol and the large FA contingent in attendance we need to be seen to take the appropriate measures for such an occasion.
I don't expect supporters to like this decision but it was done to protect the good name of our club and hope those reading this understand the reasoning behind it.
In respect of the Security company we use, they work under the instructions we give them prior to each matchday. They are approachable and don't bite and Barry the Security Lead will always feed back any queries/concerns/comments to myself for us to work on.
blueheaven
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Appreciate the explanation - thank you.
How rude of him to not lose beforehand.
pompeydunc
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I hate this at non-league, but can accept at a higher profile game such as this. However, I can't accept the security person tapping down without asking permission. He just started patting down and caught me off guard. I jumped back and asked him what he was doing (rhetorical by that point), and he seemed genuinely surprised that I would have liked him to ask my permission...surely they are meant to? Not the first time that's happened at Hamlet (previous was Meadow days mind).
pompeydunc
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Big difference is here is that we are a club at the centre of our community who sells/brands itself as being a reflection of the people that come. Heard this a fair bit of late, and I like the sound of it. It's not just a commercial gig.
It used to be free at half time, but that was (rightly IMO) switched to half price or perhaps it was a donation to 12th Man. I recall Chris (Meadow) doing this. Not sure how long it lasted?
Anyway, a club that turns people away at 80 minutes...or asks for any money for 10 minutes...is not the community club I have come to expect. And I doubt is a reflection of the vast majority of fans that come. I could be wrong, and perhaps most people do think that was the right move?
We do have the power as a club to let people in for free after 80 minutes,o earlier, 60 or 70 mins would seem fair to me...and a donation to 12th Man from half-time onwards. Can Barry be asked to do that?
jimbarkanoodle
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Just to mention that a mate was let in for free very close to the final whistle a couple of months ago, and came round to the Greendale end to meet me. As he arrived the game ended, but he was definitely let in.
Or just get in for free with the relevant County FA pass... it’s amazing how many potential freeloaders there are out there...
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