ESA medical
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i had one just over a year ago - yes, they ask about typical day to day stuff, they'll also ask you to do physical tests (eg stretching, walking, can't remember the rest).. if you've any letters from doctors etc that support/evidence any of your health issues, make sure to take copies along too.
i'm sure someone with more recent experience will be able to fill you in a bit more.
good luck to your accompanee.
i'm sure someone with more recent experience will be able to fill you in a bit more.
good luck to your accompanee.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
There's some good information from Newcastle WRU about the work capability assessment, which is the name of the ESA test of entitlement.
In essence, the assessment is very similar to the IB assessment (which was called the personal capability assessment) but the major difference is that the WCA is much more rigorous and many more people are being told that they aren't sick or disabled enough, and hence should claim JSA instead. However, significant numbers of people are challenging such decisions and winning on appeal, so be prepared for the long game if this happens.
In essence, the assessment is very similar to the IB assessment (which was called the personal capability assessment) but the major difference is that the WCA is much more rigorous and many more people are being told that they aren't sick or disabled enough, and hence should claim JSA instead. However, significant numbers of people are challenging such decisions and winning on appeal, so be prepared for the long game if this happens.
Andrejka09
New Member
Hi there wounder if anybody could help me I had a medical today which I was real nervous about I have a history of fibromyalgia is Psoriasis arthritis clawhand and a few more unknown conditions plus anxiety and depression was my first ever medical.anyway person I saw called me asked what was wrong soi said and also said a few things I'm bing checked for like ms and lupus she said that I could go home now and would need come bk to see a dr has this happened to anyone b4 and was it a good or bad thing
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Hi welcome to Urban.
I'm not an expert in these matters but that sounds like a good thing - if you look at the Atos medicals threads, you'll see a number of urbz wanted to be assessed by a doctor because they had complex health problems, but were seen by nurses, physios or other unqualified 'healthcare professionals'. Not so long ago people with serious deteriorating conditions were assessed as well enough to work.
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
ah the myth that the Health care professionals are unqualified despite the JD and PS for the roles requiring full and unrestricted registration with the relevant Professional regulator GMC/NMC/HCPC ...
we'll also conveniently avoid the fact that NMC and HCPC registrants are trained and educated in conducting comprehensive health and activities fo daily living assessments from day 1 , week 1 of their Pre-registration education .
So refreshing to see that you find this thread to be safe for somebody (ie. you) who clearly suffers from extreme listening difficulties, and also struggles with the concept of appropriate behaviour.
Perhaps you could enlighten me to what extent a physiotherapist would understand the combined limitations of onesided hearing loss, type 2 diabetes, icepick migraine, and migraine with aura, on top of the more mechanical elements of back pain etc which one might reasonably expect them to grasp?
BTW I'll remind you yet again that this is a support thread, therefore you are expected to accept people's fear, frustration, and even anger, at face value, instead of blaming them.
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
because of course all Health professionals other than Doctors only deal with a tiny sub specialised area of practice ...
it does not 'support' people when others fill their heads with inaccurate and baseless stuff about the professionals who are there to try and make a reasonable assessment .
are you aware of the 'attitude circle ' and the way in which patient / client attitude can damage assessments ...
do you actually have any experience of undertaking assessments for anything ?
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
another person who doesn't realise that theyat they fail to 'support' people by creating unnecessary problems with the assessment process.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It would be amusing, the way zippyRN manages to turn criticism of a system into a confrontation whereby he is the sole authority on the subject,and may pronounce sarcastically on the points others make. If only he actually realised that his opinions and "insider knowledge" don't make the authority he sees himself as, they make him value-laden.
It would be amusing, if it weren't pathologically self-regarding.
No doubt I'll now be treated to a specious rant about socialism, or some such thread-irrelevant bollocks.
It would be amusing, if it weren't pathologically self-regarding.
No doubt I'll now be treated to a specious rant about socialism, or some such thread-irrelevant bollocks.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Where complex issues are concerned, Zippy tends to manifest a very adult version of attention-deficit disorder - he switches off,or falls back on cant (no, not Immanuel Kant).
Tragic. There must be something which can be done for this erroneous cognition?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
CBT and graded exercise might work.
Don't tempt me. Even as it is, my fingertips are itching.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
No idea what most of those letters mean.
I was refering to previous posters on these boards with complex health problems had said they had being assessed by therapists with no experience of that health issue (hang on wasn't that what I said?) I'm not 'conveniently avoiding' anything - but I did support some one with bowel problems and mental health problems who was 'assessed' by a physiotherapist - I am unsure how 'qualified' they are, it made me nervous, how am I as a ordinary person supposed to know?
It would be more helpful - if you are so knowledgable if you could tell the Andrejka09 which professionals are appropiate to assess the conditions they have. In reply this post, surely seeing a doctor is a good thing?
Come on Mr Zippy share your expertise or zip it.
andysays
Love and solidarity
All evidence suggests the condition is terminal.
If there's any danger of it being communicated to others, we can only alert the medical authorities and call on them to quarantine the unfortunate victim...
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
friend of Dorothy you are subscribing to the 'diagnosis fallacy' that people are using to attempt to discredit the process from a position of ignorance . these assessments do not challenge diagnosis they are about activities of daily living ( for PIP) and work related activities ( for ESA)
Much as people are claiming that the Professionals doing the assessments are 'unqualified' but then claiming to have no understanding of the statutory regulators for health Professionals in the UK ,
JD and PS = Job Description and person Spec
However to offer expert advice on health matters and be unaware of the General Medical Council ( who are the professional regulator for Medical Practitioners ) , the Nursing and Midwifery Council who are the professional regulatory body for Nurses and Midwives and the HCPC who are the regualtory body for 13 health profession groups ( including Physio, Occupational Therapists and Paramedics ) ....
Much as people are claiming that the Professionals doing the assessments are 'unqualified' but then claiming to have no understanding of the statutory regulators for health Professionals in the UK ,
JD and PS = Job Description and person Spec
However to offer expert advice on health matters and be unaware of the General Medical Council ( who are the professional regulator for Medical Practitioners ) , the Nursing and Midwifery Council who are the professional regulatory body for Nurses and Midwives and the HCPC who are the regualtory body for 13 health profession groups ( including Physio, Occupational Therapists and Paramedics ) ....
Word.
The only reason I don't put that rancid trollshaped piece of smegma on ignore is because this thread can be publicly viewed and there's too much risk of more vulnerable people seeing his words unchallenged.
longdog
What is it you can't face?
I have experience of being on the receiving end of one of these assessments and what it came down to was a barely literate physiotherapist who clearly had no understanding of mental illness writing a report that was so full of glaring errors, omission, fantasy and outright bullshit that I still have trouble believing I was actually there at the time. The fucker couldn't even get my height right and fucked up the medication I was on even when he had the fucking boxes and a prescription list right in front of him. Apparently I was taking tranquillisers which came as fucking news to me as I didn't then and never have taken them and they didn't appear anywhere on the prescription list or the ESA50.
As a result of that complete cunt's inability to conduct a valid assessment I had my benefits stopped and subsequently had a total meltdown from which I'm still not 100% recovered a year later.
If these total wankers are actually doing what they are supposed to do why do over 40% of the appeals go in favour of the claimant? In my case it took the tribunal about three minutes to overturn the DWP's decision.
The position that the HCPs are inherently qualified solely on the basis that they have completed the requisite training is untenable no matter how many times the DWP claim to the contrary. Only the wilfully blind could possibly say the system works when self evidently it does nothing of the kind.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The "requisite training" is a couple of weeks of what counts as "disability awareness training" elsewhere. It trains HCPs to carry out assessments (in reality how to use the LIMA software/be a desk jockey). As for zippyRN 's wanking on about the various disciplinary bodies, it's irrelevant if you're not empowered to complain about your WCA HCP. What's signally interesting is how many medical unions/associations put the Black Spot on the WCA, the two largest being the BMA and the RCN.
For those who don't know: This means that if you have carried out WCAs for ATOS, at the very least you may lose representation from the BMA and RCN.
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
care to evidence that assertion ?
Care to ask ViolentPanda to evidence what I merely explained? In a slightly more civil way than usual, if you please.
zippyRN
Orange, Fuzzy, and allowed to possess Cat As
can you evidence this assertion VP ?
rather than the fact the BMA objects both over concerns about the process and the way in which other HCPs are being allowed to impinge on their members' territory ( I tend to take most BMA 'concerns' about the safety of other practitioners doing something with pinch of salt )
the RCN has expressed concerns aobut the way in which ATOS managed aspects of the process and has some concerns aobut the fairness of some of the eraly assessments
RCN WING has more to say on the subject but that is unsuprising becasue they are sometimes getting involved late in the day when RCN members who have work related injuries end up claiming ESA and /or PIP
I have seen nothing to suggest that representation or insurance cover has been withdrawn for staff employed by ATOS or agencies sub contracting to ATOS , unlike the withdrawl of insurance cover for various activities related to cosmetic procedures regardless of employment status,
andysays
Love and solidarity
Can you point to anywhere on this thread or any of the various others in this sub-forum where you have provided evidence for any of your assertions, aka sniping aimed at those claiming benefits?
This thread and others like it are for those claiming benefits to ask advice from others, and for claimants to give each other support. There are plenty of other threads, eg in Politics, where you are welcome to take your ill-disguised and ill-informed sniping, or even start your own thread for that purpose, but if I see you continuing to do it on "advice" threads, I will inform the moderators and request that you are officially asked to pack it in.
longdog
What is it you can't face?
Would you care to 'evidence' your position that the WCAs are valid given the huge number of successful appeals, the premature departure of ATOS, and the government's / DWP's own admission that a large number of the WCA reports are shite?
