English flag 'can provoke racism' in Wales!

[editor]

From the BBC:

Many England fans are flying the flag on their cars for the World Cup
England fans flying the cross of St George on their cars could antagonise Welsh fans, according to the deputy chief constable of North Wales Police.

Clive Wolfendale said "incessant" flag-waving in Wales during the World Cup could lead to racism and violence.

Mr Wolfendale, who is English, said there is a place for flag-waving during the World Cup.

But he believes that in the weeks before the tournament, the sight of the English flag being displayed on cars "frequently and overtly" is "unnecessary". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5058132.stm

Sounds bollocks to me, but whaddya reckon folks?

 

[Belushi]

I think that Wolfendale just lieks to get in the press as much as possible.

 

[fanta]

Doesn't need provoking, it's alive and kicking anyway.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I'd imagine the officer wants to avoid late-night confrontations between drunken youths in small towns and therefore would like people to avoid some of the things that may lead to it.

Mind you he'd be better off hoping Rooney doesn't recover and that England meet a good side in the last sixteen.

 

[editor]

Doesn't need provoking, it's alive and kicking anyway.

Bless. Our resident Welsh-hater has popped up with some anti-Welsh sentiment, right on cue.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Call me a racist but I would really like to rip off those flags and stick em where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[editor]

Mind you, thinking about it, if I lived in a small Welsh village whose community had been trashed by holiday home-ing folks popping in for occasional visits in their 4x4s, I'd be tempted to get a bit snap-happy on the English flag front.

 

[fanta]

Bless. Our resident Welsh-hater has popped up with some anti-Welsh sentiment, right on cue.

Shit, yeah you're right, there is no racism or prejudice there at all.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Mind you, thinking about it, if I lived in a small Welsh village whose community had been trashed by holiday home-ing folks popping in for occasional visits in their 4x4s, I'd be tempted to get a bit snap-happy on the English flag front.

Probably different sets of people, though, don't you reckon? (I mean the 4x4 people and the flag-wavers.)

 

[editor]

Shit, yeah you're right, there is no racism or prejudice there at all.

Thanks for another vital contribution!

Anything else to add, or are you done with the Welsh for the day?

 

[editor]

Probably different sets of people, though, don't you reckon? (I mean the 4x4 people and the flag-wavers.)

Not really. I've seen plenty of 4x4/SUV cars with flapping English flags around town already.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Interesting.

Oddly enough the flags thing doesn't happen here, or not yet anyway. We do have plenty of 4x4 owners though, none of whom have any compunction about driving their tanks through the narrow cobbled streets of the old town.

 

[geminisnake]

Bless. Our resident Welsh-hater has popped up with some anti-Welsh sentiment, right on cue.

Have you read some of the footie related threads in there??
I'm by no mean an English fan(en mass/Govt) but even I thought some of the posts in the etiquette thread were a bit

I think the copper is right to some extent I'm afraid, and I'd say he was right if he said it of Scotland too. Blatant English flag waving in Wales/Scotland/Ireland could provoke nastiness. Hell, there's been plenty folks posting in general about how sick they are of it and they're bloody English

 

[munkeeunit]

It's the British flag I most object to. I'd quite happily see the last vestiges of the British empire completely dismantled, and reduced to it's component parts.

People will always wave flags at each other for the foreseeable future, but better the english wave their own flag, than the flags of countries which don't rightfully belong to them.

It's just a shame that those who wave the flag for england are largely ignorant of it's brutal history. Thankfully, at the same time, it is just the world cup and any jingoism tends to stay within that largely benign context.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Stupid, unnecassary comment from the same North Wales Police twat who addressed the North Wales Black Police Association with this ill-adviced 'Rap'.

I'm just a white boy called the Deputy CC / They said I'd never make it as a bitchin' MC / You got it all wrong, cos now here I am / Giving it for real in the North Wales BPA jam

They call me Roxy, or Ms Dynamo on stage / Unlike my brother here, I never look my age / I'm goin' to spill it all about the boys in blue / Show you what it's like within the not-so-solid crew

So listen! Watch a doin' here today / Checkin' what the Heddlu Gogledd Cymru gotta say / Put away your cameras and your note pads for a spell / I got a story that I really need to tell

Bein' in the dibble is no cakewalk when you're black / If you don't get fitted, then you'll prob'ly get the sack / You're better chillin', lie down and just be passive / No place for us just yet in the Colwyn Bay Massive

The Beeb Man stuffed us with the Secret Policeman / It's no good moanin' cos' he found the Ku Klux Klan / Job ain't what it used to be; it's full of blacks and gays / It was just us white homies in the really good ole' days

So what we bothrin' with this stinkin' institution / No love, no heart, no sense, no proper constitution / No-one loves the coppers cos' we're rotten to the core / Cross between the devil and a governmental whore

What is the purpose of a black association? / It's just another stupid race relations job creation / We got our meetings and our various sub-committees / Packed with some do-gooders and a lot more Walter Mittys

Forget all of that bulls**t an' I'll tell u why we're here / Things are sometimes better than they usually appear / The New World Order means the streets are gettin' hot /Trust in one another is really all we got

The BPA is sayin' that we're all in the same boat / Black or white in blue, we're all wearin' the same coat / If this don't happen then the lot of us are screwed / Caught up in the mis'ry of the international feud

So Roger, Nick and Larbi will you give us one more chance / Danny and Silvana, I'd really like to dance / To Essi and to Imdad I want to give a hand / Let's hear it for Ms Dynamo and all her backin' band

There's no time for jam tomorrow, we need the jam today / That's why we launchin' our association in this way / Thank you all for coming and remember what we say / Support your local sheriff and the North Wales BPA.

 

[ddraig]

it's doing my head in managed to dislodge a huge flag that was part of a display in town yesterday.
everything engerlund related seems to be at least 70% off in Cardiff and still piles of it about.
even though they are identikit chain stores, surely they know there won't be hardly any interest? or are they that deluded? some twat was buying 3 engerlund shirts tho

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

My initial thought is to put their windows through, but now I control that urge and realise, hey there's English people here too

Mind you if their giving it the big one I can see some people being pissed off.

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Doesn't need provoking, it's alive and kicking anyway.

Are you still confusing Queens Park Rangers with the world cup Fanta?

Some people might say ' Fuck off you English pig dog ' but I wouldn't cos I like you

 

[Idaho]

I agree. English flags should be banned in Wales and Welsh flags should be banned in England. Simple solution

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

From the BBC:

Sounds bollocks to me, but whaddya reckon folks?

I can see how it can provoke violence but racism?? ( well they never call it that when used against us, apparently we're not a race )

 

[Brockway]

it's doing my head in managed to dislodge a huge flag that was part of a display in town yesterday.
everything engerlund related seems to be at least 70% off in Cardiff and still piles of it about.
even though they are identikit chain stores, surely they know there won't be hardly any interest? or are they that deluded? some twat was buying 3 engerlund shirts tho

England shirts for £11 in one sport shop on Queen Street. If I was living in Brizzle I'd be doing my Ingurland shopping in Wales.

As for England I'm personally overjoyed that they are in Germany as they always provide the comedy element in the tournament. As well as some new chants for NP.

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

I agree. English flags should be banned in Wales and Welsh flags should be banned in England. Simple solution

You're joking, if we ever got to the World Cup . I'd have Cymru Am Byth tattoed along the length of my dick ( well Cym anyway ) and I'd be waving it around for all to see let along lording it with a flag.

 

[fanta]

Mind you, thinking about it, if I lived in a small Welsh village whose community had been trashed by holiday home-ing folks popping in for occasional visits in their 4x4s, I'd be tempted to get a bit snap-happy on the English flag front.

Completely understandable. But more satisfying (as well as safer) to live in the capital of hateful England and post indignant posts on the internet instead, huh?!

That'll show 'em!

 

[editor]

Completely understandable. But more satisfying (as well as safer) to live in the capital of hateful England and post indignant posts on the internet instead, huh?!

Thanks!

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Completely understandable. But more satisfying (as well as safer) to live in the capital of hateful England and post indignant posts on the internet instead, huh?!

That'll show 'em!

The OP was not in favour with the comments and asked us what we thought.

Unlike the English to wade in with their tuppences

 

[Idaho]

You're joking, if we ever got to the World Cup . I'd have Cymru Am Byth tattoed along the length of my dick ( well Cym anyway ) and I'd be waving it around for all to see let along lording it with a flag.

Er.. so what's the problem with the England flags then

 

[bendeus]

it's doing my head in managed to dislodge a huge flag that was part of a display in town yesterday.
everything engerlund related seems to be at least 70% off in Cardiff and still piles of it about.
even though they are identikit chain stores, surely they know there won't be hardly any interest? or are they that deluded? some twat was buying 3 engerlund shirts tho

I remember a billboard advertising Cotton Traders clothing being displayed on the gable end of a terraced row in one of the poorest communities in the Cynon Valley during the last rugby world cup. The offending item was a moody black and white photo of Dallaglio, Wilkinson and Matt Dawson. What kind of thick advertising tosspot actually believed that the location of this folly would actually serve to sell shirts? The mind boggles, it really does.

 

[Hollis]

Yeah.. I mean I think Taffs wearing woolly hats with the Welsh Dragon on in London provoke racism aswell.. oh yes.. !!

 

[mwgdrwg]

Er.. so what's the problem with the England flags then

It's rivalry innit. It's like a Liverpool fan waving a Champions of Europe flag in Manchester.

 

[Brockway]

I don't think it's the flags per se that provoke anger more the cultural imperialism of it all. A Mars Bar was a British bar of chocolate, now it's an English bar of chocolate. And then you have the hypocrisy of the media. BBC Radio 5 last night - a dozen BRITISH hooligans have been arrested. And the casual references on the BRITISH Broadcasting Comapny of "us" "we" and "the nation" when referring to the England football team.