End of section 21 evictions - what does it mean?

[MrCurry]

Can anyone help me interpret what this really means for landlords and tenants?

No-fault eviction ban 'will hurt tenants'

It implies that landlords will only be able to end a tenancy in future if the tenants fall behind (2 months behind?) in rent. But what if the landlord wants to move back into the property themselves, or sell it?

 

[cybershot]

I asked my friend who works in lettings for an estate agent (yeah I know, but she’s nice, honest)

It means that landlords can’t just evict a tenant because they feel like it. They will have to have rent arrears or if the landlord wants the property back they will have to prove they are selling or moving back in. It hasn’t been passed yet and they are still working on exactly how it will work.

 

[SpookyFrank]

But what if the landlord wants to move back into the property themselves, or sell it?

If you want to sell a house, don't rent it to someone else. If you want to live in a house, don't rent it to someone else.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Aw look at the poor landlord there, worried she won't be able to fulfill her selfless dream of letting her 20 houses to deserving local people.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Love the BBC headline there too. Eviction ban will hurt tenants. According to landlords. In other news: DBS checks put children at risk say paedophiles.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Seriously though, this idea that they can just let all their properties to couples with two high incomes is nonsense isn't it. People like that who need to rent are already able to get places, where are they suddenly going to magic up a load more from? Although it might seem like it sometimes the market for rental properties isn't actually infinite.

 

[MrCurry]

I asked my friend who works in lettings for an estate agent (yeah I know, but she’s nice, honest)

Thanks, so it looks as though a landlord selling a property will he grounds to terminate a tenancy, that wasn’t clear from the news article.

 

[xenon]

There was a landlord moaning about this on the radio earlier. How it's harder and harder to make money, taxed on turnover not profit etc. My thoughts were. Why don't you get a fucking job and work for a living instead of expecting one by extracting profit through hoarding vital resources.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The Residential Landlords Association (RLA) said its survey of 6,400 landlords suggested that 84% of its members would be more selective, picking tenants on higher incomes and leaving those earning less to fight over fewer properties.

This doesn't make any sense. The same number of people with the same range of incomes will need the same number of houses after this change, and landlords will want the same amount of free money. It's already standard practice for landlords to demand proof of income, all the way down to the bottom end of the market.

BBC do this a lot, particularly on this issue. They'll repeat stuff that's obviously complete nonsense with no analysis or rebuttal. In the past they've quoted landlords saying they're not making any profit because the rent just pays the mortgage on the property. Um, getting a free house counts as profit.

 

[xenon]

Imagine coping with the hardship of having other people only buy you a tangable secure asset.
(((landlords)))

 

[oryx]

This is long overdue. In time it may make landlordism less attractive, which can only be a good thing IMHO.

 

[MickiQ]

Landlords should be able to evict a tenant for one of three reasons a) they aren't paying the rent, b) they're deliberately damaging the place or c) they're using the place for a criminal purpose. Other than that there should be no legitimate reason to evict someone.
If the Landlord wants to sell then fine, but they have to sell (presumably to another landlord) with a sitting tenant.
The problem with the vast bulk of rentals in this country is that it's not treated like a business but as a money making scheme.

 

[mauvais]

I suspect this'll be easy to weasel out of, or work around, so will change very little.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I suspect this'll be easy to weasel out of, or work around, so will change very little.

my cynical side thinks there will probably be some sort of exemption for short term / holiday lets, so private tenants at the sharp end will end up with even less security and having to move on even more often than now...

 

[Poi E]

Aw look at the poor landlord there, worried she won't be able to fulfill her selfless dream of letting her 20 houses to deserving local people.

Yes, "local" people.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I suspect this'll be easy to weasel out of, or work around, so will change very little.

Yeah maybe there'll be some theoretical recourse via the courts but once your arse is already on the pavement you're probably going to have to prioritise finding somehwere else to live over conjuring up however much time and money it would take to seek that recourse.

 

[karanight]

If the Landlord wants to sell then fine, but they have to sell (presumably to another landlord) with a sitting tenant.
The problem with the vast bulk of rentals in this country is that it's not treated like a business but as a money making scheme.

You're correct that landlords should only be able to sell a rented property with the sitting tenant and yes, people are making money from their properties, but they are also looking after their own future as in retirement. There's always complaints that the government don't look after the old and needy. THESE LANDLORD WON'T BE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY. If you ask me, landlordism should be encouraged along with proper controls put in place. When I first rented a flat, if the landlord misbehaved by trying to get tenants to leave because of their own greed, or putting rents up unfairly etc the tenant could take the landlord to a rent tribunal where a good tenant would get security of tenure. The only area where a landlord could evict a rent paying tenant was if the flat they rented out was part of their own home

 

[SpookyFrank]

THESE LANDLORD WON'T BE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY.

They already are. They're hoovering up money that working folk could be saving up for their own retirements, or their own homes.

 

[karanight]

They already are. They're hoovering up money that working folk could be saving up for their own retirements, or their own homes.

They often are and there should be protection in place to stop landlords pushing the nose of other potential home buyers out of joint, but unfortunately that's market forces and there's nothing we can do about it

 

[oryx]

They often are and there should be protection in place to stop landlords pushing the nose of other potential home buyers out of joint, but unfortunately that's market forces and there's nothing we can do about it

There's loads we can do about it, or government can do about it if the will was there.

I would be in favour of banning second homes altogether but stopping well short of that there could be measures such as ensuring resident homeowners (as opposed to landlords) get first choice on buying properties so they are used as homes and not investments.

There are far better ways to look after the 'old and needy' than for people to become landlords.

 

[maomao]

that's market forces and there's nothing we can do about it

Since when? We don't live in a pure free market economy, we never have and we never will.

 

[SpookyFrank]

They often are and there should be protection in place to stop landlords pushing the nose of other potential home buyers out of joint, but unfortunately that's market forces and there's nothing we can do about it

Market forces are not forces of nature. The market is an artificial system. Of course there are things we can do about it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

They often are and there should be protection in place to stop landlords pushing the nose of other potential home buyers out of joint, but unfortunately that's market forces and there's nothing we can do about it

There's a lot 'we' could do about it. 90% tax on rental properties would be a start. Followed by compulsory requisition of any residential property that's been empty for over 6 months. But the only cunts who could make this happen are the same cunts who are renting out a dozen houses, so it'll never happen.

 

[karanight]

The market is an artificial system. Of course there are things we can do about it.

What can be done then?

 

[karanight]

90% tax on rental properties would be a start

And what good would that do to the housing market.
Houses would remain empty and in disrepair. Then when the houses are compulsory requisitioned the repair money would come from the public purse. Then the landlords wouldn't be creating a future for themselves and thus they would become a burden on society because they haven't put money aside for retirement.

 

[karanight]

We don't live in a pure free market economy

Nothings perfect

 

[karanight]

There's loads we can do about it, or government can do about it if the will was there.

That's the point. The only way things will change if we ever get to utopia and that'll never happen. Politicians don't give a damn and unfortunately the masses let them get away with it. It's real easy for those in power, all they have to do is fill the TV screens with crap and the masses fall into zombie state and then complain that those with a bit of gumption bought all the houses.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[Saul Goodman]

And what good would that do to the housing market.
Houses would remain empty and in disrepair. Then when the houses are compulsory requisitioned the repair money would come from the public purse. Then the landlords wouldn't be creating a future for themselves and thus they would become a burden on society because they haven't put money aside for retirement.

It would result in houses being available for people other than BTL cuntlords, because there would be no more BTL cuntlords, nor would there be empty investment properties everywhere.
And what would prevent the cuntlords from, you know, going out and getting a job?

 

[karanight]

going out and getting a job

How do you think they got the wherewithal to buy a house to rent to start with