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Elephant and Castle Shopping Centre when new...

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The original photos show it as a much more brighter space. It seems it's contiunal revamps have made it worse rather than better.

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And Elephant pre hideous shopping/Heygate development
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And Heygate going up!

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And the elephant itself (can someone figure the viewpoint??):

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Great photos.

I have a soft spot for the Elephant and Castle shopping centre. Found it one of the best places in the world for people watching and it had something about it that made it a cross between 'Blade Runner' and 'Mind your language'.

For the price of a very good coffee from the South American coffee bar on the upper floor you could see a people from all over the world just getting on with their lives and whilst not the biggest flag waver for the whole 'multi-cultural' hysteria it certainly was a place where you could see a whole slice of modern urban Britain in one place and realise that if left alone it might just work out ok.

Plus it used to have a smashing second hand bookshop but I understand that has closed down now.

Give me the E&C over such places as Blue Water and others of that ilk any day of the week.
 
Wow facinating stuff:cool:,cycle through the area on me way to work every day,shabby as the shopping centre is,Ive got a soft spot for the aul place,all human life and all that:)
 
When I shopped there it just depressed me. Felt like Lochee in 1976.

The Elephant and Castle statue pic. That one isn't there any longer is it?
 
Elephant and Castle Shopping Centre is :cool:

I hadn't been there for many years until today and I wish I could have stayed longer, it had something about it that you just don't get in modern shopping centres (character?). Need to go back and explore more.
 
I think that statue is on second Elephant and Castle on that site. I think nothing in the picture is there any more. However I really can't place it. I need more elephant and castle pictures!
 
hoo hum...:D

Proper elephant and castle. You can see elephant on pub. Domed building behind is the Northern line station I think.... hmmm. still not sure how it works.

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poo, image has disappeared....
 
sorry I'll refrain from posting silly pics now :oops:

any idea what date that is boohoo?

the trams appear to be running on the lecky coming from the trough in the ground between the running rails
 
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I figured out the picture through help of other pictures off very rubbish slow loading southwark website and my 1930s map. There is one, yes one building in the picture still standing and that is the entrance to Bakerloo line. So the view the road on the left goes past the Bakerloo line entrance and the road on the right goes to london bridge.
 
I can still see the other pic :confused:

interesting thing about both pics: no traffic lights!

e2a: pics in posts #13 and #15
 
can you see it now? (had to drop the quality a bit to get it under the upload limit on here)
 

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hooray and thanks!!! I'll look for the southwark site tomorrow - some great elephant and castle pictures on it!
 
Erno Goldfinger who designed Alexander Flemming House at Elephant and Castle

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...was also responsible for the Trellick Tower

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I really like the E&C shopping centre too. It does have character and reminds me of what it was like growing up (not that I grew up in London).

It'll be a shame when it's gone, and whatever replaces it is bound to be shit and look out of date within 10 years anyway.
 
Elephant and Castle used to be known as the Piccadilly of South London. Then the planners got together with old labour and fucked the whole place up.......Whatever anybody says about New Labour people should think just how bad Old Labour were at times.
 
The pub was at the northern end of a peninsular site - which I think is now somewhere under the northern roundabout/Faraday memorial.

It was bounded by Newington Butts on the west side and Walworth Road to the east - Walworth Road used to continue all the way north to the New Kent Road until the 1960s reconstruction. The shopping centre is built over the old line of Walworth Road.
 
Wonderful Thread. Some really splendid pictures I hadn't seen before. About a year ago I emailed the southwark local history library asking about Elephant and Castle history (both topographical, etymological and iconographic aspects). I got the most marvellously comprehensive and detailed email back. Here are some quotes:

"The Elephant and Castle Public House goes back only to the mid-18th century. The big junction that we now call the Elephant and Castle was referred to as Newington or Newington Butts in the 18th century and earlier. It was the centre of the parish and village of St. Mary, Newington Butts, and was the first distinct place out of London (and, of course, out of Southwark) on the old Portsmouth Road.

The pub was previously occupied by a farrier's. [A farrier is a specialist in equine hoof care, including the trimming and balancing of a horse's hoof and the placing of shoes to the horse's foot]. In fact, it seems very likely that the first Elephant and Castle Public House occupied the same building that had been the farrier's, which had used the name and sign of the White Horse from the late 17th century onwards. The pub first appears in written history under its familiar name in 1765.

Almost certainly, the change from farrier's to pub relates to the opening of New Kent Road under an Act of 1751. The evidence suggests that the change of function and name may have taken place as early as 1755.

As for the wider story of the Elephant and Castle sign, it was the case as early as the 11th century that any depiction of an elephant - in carvings of wood or stone, and paintings as in bestiaries - always involved a 'castle'. In the simplest sense, this was just an elephantine version of a horse's saddle. A horse would normally have just one rider on a saddle, but an elephant could take several. In the mediaeval mind, in view of the use of elephants in warfare, the elephantine saddle inevitably became a 'castle'; in art, this element became more pronounced than it was in reality. The warriors did need protection, of course. And that reflection of the military use of elephants went back to Hannibal* and perhaps beyond. The ancient Roman
world was certainly well aware of the elephant in warfare, which was in turn translated into the conventional idea of the elephant and castle in the Middle Ages. From that time onwards, elephants were almost always depicted in that guise.

The sign is a fairly common one for pubs. There used to be another exmple at Vauxhall**, about a mile and a half from Newington, and a further case just across Westminster Bridge. Across England, the tally is several dozen. The oddity of the case, I always think, is why people consider that the one at Newington has to have a special explanation. Mere prominence, I suppose."

I will credit these quotes to their most generous author: Stephen Humphrey, who is an Archivist at the southwark local history library. [email protected]

I reccommend emailing them for any queries you have about local history. They are simply amazing.


*I noticed that the office block building above the northernline tube entrance is called Hannibal House. Don't know if this is deliberate?

**Still there last time I looked, above the Starbucks. Visible from the ground but best viewed from the mainline train platform.
 
"In the south suburbs, at the Elephant,
Is best to lodge."

Twelfth Night, Shakey

I was taken aback when I heard that line at the Globe, was living at E&C at the time, so I had to agree
 
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