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Dulwich Hamlet v Harrow Borough, Tue 14 Nov, 7.45pm - HELP THE HAMLET

Very professional performance from us, I thought. No massive stand-outs, but just strong all the way through the team. Due to other commitments that was my first game in about a month, and I was very impressed with how the team's shaping up. Billericay have obviously got a frightening number of games in hand but they're bound to have a dip, and if we keep on picking points up like we are we're going to be bloody difficult to catch.

Oh, and what a turn-out from the local community. We'll have over 2,000 for the next Saturday match, surely.
 
To be perfectly honest I wasn't really that interested in the game or the result.

The off-pitch support was immense. But...being a 'Natural Born Pessimist', if Meadows Residential hold steadfast, with no improvement, we will have to continuously raise this sort of money, and these crowds, to continue as we are. We are all as extremely generous as we can be, but most will not be able to do so indefinitely.

I, for one, am extremely concerned as to whether we can get through this...but I live in hope.

Whilst last night was emotionally amazing...it was also at the same time extremely heart-breaking.
 
To be perfectly honest I wasn't really that interested in the game or the result.

The off-pitch support was immense. But...being a 'Natural Born Pessimist', if Meadows Residential hold steadfast, with no improvement, we will have to continuously raise this sort of money, and these crowds, to continue as we are. We are all as extremely generous as we can be, but most will not be able to do so indefinitely.

I, for one, am extremely concerned as to whether we can get through this...but I live in hope.

Whilst last night was emotionally amazing...it was also at the same time extremely heart-breaking.

Its hard to say until we know what needs to be covered on a weekly basis. If it is just the wage bill i'm pretty confident you could find enough people to cover that week to week.
 
Its hard to say until we know what needs to be covered on a weekly basis. If it is just the wage bill i'm pretty confident you could find enough people to cover that week to week.
As I say, I'm a 'Natural Born Pessimist'. Some of the wage bill is, of course, covered by gate receipts & match day bar takings, after expenses are deducted.

All I know is that Dulwich Hamlet are a BIG part of my life...and I simply cannot imagine what it would be like without The Hamlet. Or perhaps it's the fact that I can imagine that which concerns me so much...
 
As I say, I'm a 'Natural Born Pessimist'. Some of the wage bill is, of course, covered by gate receipts & match day bar takings, after expenses are deducted.

All I know is that Dulwich Hamlet are a BIG part of my life...and I simply cannot imagine what it would be like without The Hamlet. Or perhaps it's the fact that I can imagine that which concerns me so much...

It need's a bit more clarity moving forwards. People won't indefinitely throw money at an intangible situation, I'm pretty confident they will if there is a definite and visible target to hit. To cover the wage bill as I understand it it would take about 500 people willing to pay £10 a week for 40 weeks of the year. That's achievable.
 
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More here: Community comes out in force to support Dulwich Hamlet as they beat Harrow Borough and go five points clear at the top
 
To be perfectly honest I wasn't really that interested in the game or the result.
In the immediate short-term I think it was vital to win that match purely for morale-boosting purposes. Still five points clear at the top of the table - I feel the notion that we're not just keeping the team going, but contributing towards a successful team makes a big difference.

The off-pitch support was immense. But...being a 'Natural Born Pessimist', if Meadows Residential hold steadfast, with no improvement, we will have to continuously raise this sort of money, and these crowds, to continue as we are. We are all as extremely generous as we can be, but most will not be able to do so indefinitely.

Its hard to say until we know what needs to be covered on a weekly basis. If it is just the wage bill i'm pretty confident you could find enough people to cover that week to week.

It need's a bit more clarity moving forwards. People won't indefinitely throw money at an intangible situation, I'm pretty confident they will if there is a definite and visible target to hit. To cover the wage bill as I understand it it would take about 500 people willing to pay £10 a week for 40 weeks of the year. That's achievable.
It's vital that we don't all sit back and congratulate ourselves over last night's efforts, because it's an ongoing situation for an indefinite period. We mustn't think that we're winning the battle just because last night went well and was emotionally uplifting, it's going to be a long hard slog.

I can understand pushing the need for immediate donations in the aftermath of Meadow dropping their stink bomb and walking out of the room and locking the door behind them. However one method of donating towards the 12th Man fund that doesn't seem to have been highlighted over the past week is by standing order. That way there's a more predicatable amount of moneyhitting the 12th Man account each week/month. If we're just relying on ad-hoc online donations or dropping money in a bucket it's easy for people with busy lives just to forget about it when there isn't a home game for a couple of weeks.

I set up a standing order for £10 a week to the 12th Man last week. In one sense that may sound a lot to the individual; in another sense it sounds like a drop in the ocean in terms of the overall wage bill. But if all of us give what we can it all adds up. If everyone who was there last night gave £1 a week to 12th Man that probably covers the wages of four senior players. If those who can afford a bit more give more then we're really getting somewhere.

Personally, when it comes to deciding what I can "afford" I think of it in these terms: I'll often spend twenty quid on a few pints after a game, or just on an evening down the pub with friends. I may do that several times a month, as I'm sure many others do. If I stay at home occasionally I can give the money I've saved to the 12th Man. I was tempted to stay at home last Saturday instead of going to Harlow, then sticking the £25 it would have saved me on train fares + ground admission into the 12th Man. As it happens I went to Harlow (and wished afterwards I hadn't!), but I stuck an extra tenner in the bucket last night on the basis that I'd have had to pay on the gate if we'd been facing Harlow in a replay. I know a lot of people have other commitments and interests that all cost money not least children, or other hobbies and interests they care passionately about, but personally the way our club has evolved over the past few seasons has really brightened up my life and made a big difference during a period when a lot of other things have gone wrong, therefore I'm determined to keep giving as much as I can.

The big imponderable is Meadow's very unhelpful set of conditions imposed upon the club. They tell us we'll still have the profit from their matchday operations, but that's not a fixed amount and we have no opportunity to reduce matchday overheads by dispensing with some of the very large number of paid matchday staff they employ whose roles could be filled by supporters on a volutary basis, as they were in the not too distant past. For example, in addition to the security staff (which I think most of us accept as a sensible measure given the size of our crowds now) last night there seemed to be at least half a dozen stewards in the pink hi-viz vests doing very little other than being on hand to deal with any low level issues that might arise, plus three turnstile staff performing a role that Griff and other committee members or supporters used to do on a voluntary basis. Given the overall situation this is just pissing money down the drain. If it reaches the stage where players have to be released, but all these staff are still on the payroll, I feel it needs to be made clear in no uncertain terms to Meadow that it's not acceptable.
 
Thank you for the inspiration. I already donate a fixed sum each month, not a lot, but if more of us did as you say...

I am financially committed this month, I am one of those who doesn't have savings, but simply live on my monthly wages, but from next month I shall be increasing my monthly standing order as a result of your post.
 
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In the immediate short-term I think it was vital to win that match purely for morale-boosting purposes. Still five points clear at the top of the table - I feel the notion that we're not just keeping the team going, but contributing towards a successful team makes a big difference.






It's vital that we don't all sit back and congratulate ourselves over last night's efforts, because it's an ongoing situation for an indefinite period. We mustn't think that we're winning the battle just because last night went well and was emotionally uplifting, it's going to be a long hard slog.

I can understand pushing the need for immediate donations in the aftermath of Meadow dropping their stink bomb and walking out of the room and locking the door behind them. However one method of donating towards the 12th Man fund that doesn't seem to have been highlighted over the past week is by standing order. That way there's a more predicatable amount of moneyhitting the 12th Man account each week/month. If we're just relying on ad-hoc online donations or dropping money in a bucket it's easy for people with busy lives just to forget about it when there isn't a home game for a couple of weeks.

I set up a standing order for £10 a week to the 12th Man last week. In one sense that may sound a lot to the individual; in another sense it sounds like a drop in the ocean in terms of the overall wage bill. But if all of us give what we can it all adds up. If everyone who was there last night gave £1 a week to 12th Man that probably covers the wages of four senior players. If those who can afford a bit more give more then we're really getting somewhere.

Personally, when it comes to deciding what I can "afford" I think of it in these terms: I'll often spend twenty quid on a few pints after a game, or just on an evening down the pub with friends. I may do that several times a month, as I'm sure many others do. If I stay at home occasionally I can give the money I've saved to the 12th Man. I was tempted to stay at home last Saturday instead of going to Harlow, then sticking the £25 it would have saved me on train fares + ground admission into the 12th Man. As it happens I went to Harlow (and wished afterwards I hadn't!), but I stuck an extra tenner in the bucket last night on the basis that I'd have had to pay on the gate if we'd been facing Harlow in a replay. I know a lot of people have other commitments and interests that all cost money not least children, or other hobbies and interests they care passionately about, but personally the way our club has evolved over the past few seasons has really brightened up my life and made a big difference during a period when a lot of other things have gone wrong, therefore I'm determined to keep giving as much as I can.

The big imponderable is Meadow's very unhelpful set of conditions imposed upon the club. They tell us we'll still have the profit from their matchday operations, but that's not a fixed amount and we have no opportunity to reduce matchday overheads by dispensing with some of the very large number of paid matchday staff they employ whose roles could be filled by supporters on a volutary basis, as they were in the not too distant past. For example, in addition to the security staff (which I think most of us accept as a sensible measure given the size of our crowds now) last night there seemed to be at least half a dozen stewards in the pink hi-viz vests doing very little other than being on hand to deal with any low level issues that might arise, plus three turnstile staff performing a role that Griff and other committee members or supporters used to do on a voluntary basis. Given the overall situation this is just pissing money down the drain. If it reaches the stage where players have to be released, but all these staff are still on the payroll, I feel it needs to be made clear in no uncertain terms to Meadow that it's not acceptable.
Seeing as your post has had such an encouraging response from Mishi, do you mind if I use your post for a Buzz article to see if we can rattle up more cash from others?
 
Seeing as your post has had such an encouraging response from Mishi, do you mind if I use your post for a Buzz article to see if we can rattle up more cash from others?
Please do. The main thrust of my message is that we all probably spend a few quid a month on stuff we don't really need, then grumble that we're struggling for spare cash - myself included. Cut out all those frivolous things that cost a couple of quid here and there and funnel what you save into the 12th Man. I understand that not everyone is single with no dependents as Mishi and myself are. We all have a finite amount of cash to spare, there's always someone trying to persuade you to put it their way - I shall be putting as much of mine as possible the way of the 12th Man fund.
 
It need's a bit more clarity moving forwards. People won't indefinitely throw money at an intangible situation, I'm pretty confident they will if there is a definite and visible target to hit. To cover the wage bill as I understand it it would take about 500 people willing to pay £10 a week for 40 weeks of the year. That's achievable.

I was going to suggest exactly the same thing! And I'm going to sign up for that for the next year.
 
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The lying fuckers. How can they talk about our 'unstable finances' when the sleazy douchebags won't tell us where the fucking money is going?

Get rid of the expensive security that we don't need and sort out a proper bar and start explaining where the cash is going and maybe those finances won't be so 'unstable' after all.
 
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The lying fuckers. How can they talk about our 'unstable finances' when the sleazy douchebags won't tell us where the fucking money is going?

Get rid of the expensive security that we don't need and sort out a proper bar and start explaining where the cash is going and maybe those finances won't be so 'unstable' after all.
actually their comment that they have not focussed on tackling the "unstable finances" tells you everything you need to know about them. Perhaps if they had tackled that, they would be in a better position now... (as would the club). And as they clearly know the finances are "unstable" then there should be nothing stopping them giving details to the football committee and supporters trust so they can tackle them! I think we can all think of a few things that could (and should) be done immediately as you've said...

At least they are honest in saying all they care about is getting rich on building expensive flats!
 
actually their comment that they have not focussed on tackling the "unstable finances" tells you everything you need to know about them. Perhaps if they had tackled that, they would be in a better position now... (as would the club). And as they clearly know the finances are "unstable" then there should be nothing stopping them giving details to the football committee and supporters trust so they can tackle them! I think we can all think of a few things that could (and should) be done immediately as you've said...

At least they are honest in saying all they care about is getting rich on building expensive flats!
Of course if we all know precisely what needs to be done and find a way to do it, then Meadow 's whole strategy of telling everyone we can't survive without them is undermined. They're deliberately trying to make the club fail.
 
Of course if we all know precisely what needs to be done and find a way to do it, then Meadow 's whole strategy of telling everyone we can't survive without them is undermined. They're deliberately trying to make the club fail.

yes indeed... I've said all along that I think they want to get the club out of the way so they can build flats on the ground without having to worry about building a stadium elsewhere... The covenant can be got around, I'm sure.
 
yes indeed... I've said all along that I think they want to get the club out of the way so they can build flats on the ground without having to worry about building a stadium elsewhere... The covenant can be got around, I'm sure.
If developers wanted that, originally, then surely they would have just let the Club fold soon after they bought the ground, and took over the running, with an option to buy, on behalf of McCormack. What they never envisaged was the whole planning thing dragging on so long...which is very much of their own making, as far as I can see.
 
I've never had any doubt from day one that they'd jettison any plans to build a stadium if they could wriggle out of it and that's why I could never offer any support for their hideous, out of scale, profit-raking, social-housing free proposed development. So there.
 
If developers wanted that, originally, then surely they would have just let the Club fold soon after they bought the ground, and took over the running, with an option to buy, on behalf of McCormack. What they never envisaged was the whole planning thing dragging on so long...which is very much of their own making, as far as I can see.

possibly yeah. Although perhaps Hadley took a different view to Meadow themselves, I dunno. I guess the same person is in charge really so maybe not.
 
If developers wanted that, originally, then surely they would have just let the Club fold soon after they bought the ground, and took over the running, with an option to buy, on behalf of McCormack. What they never envisaged was the whole planning thing dragging on so long...which is very much of their own making, as far as I can see.
They hoped that by building us a cut-price stadium they could wriggle out of all affordable/s105 commitments and make more $$$$$$ for themselves.
 
I've never had any doubt from day one that they'd jettison any plans to build a stadium if they could wriggle out of it and that's why I could never offer any support for their hideous, out of scale, profit-raking, social-housing free proposed development. So there.

I didn't support it either...
 
A bit late, but want to also say how fantastic I thought the support was from you guys on Tuesday night, sounds incredible when watching the games back when the Rabble are in full flow, and Tuesday was one of those special nights.

 
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