Dugin: What's that about then?

[camouflage]

Alexander Dugin, some sort of Russian fascist who looks like Rasputin. I read something he wrote once to see what all the fuss was about, couldn't make heads or tails of it, meaningless waffle about Eurasia, 'cultural identity' and 'multi-polarity' I think. Basically Slavoj Zizek but evil then.

Any thoughts of interest on the guy? And more generally this Third Position Fascism thing, is that related and how does that work?

 

[seventh bullet]

You got some information last year but chose to ignore it. Anyway, it can't all be 'meaningless waffle' to you seen as you've been linking to sites where he is either promoting himself or his politics is present.

I don't get the Zizek reference. Are you trying to appear smart or something?

 

[camouflage]

You got some information last year but chose to ignore it. Anyway, it can't all be 'meaningless waffle' to you seen as you've been linking to sites where he is either promoting himself or his politics is present.

I don't get the Zizek reference. Are you trying to appear smart or something?

I've never asked about Dugin before in my life, link to all these Dugin threads I've started please. To be fair I don't find him very interesting at all but note with interest how keen you are to attach him to my posts. I knew you'd be the first response on this one, predictable muppet you are.

 

[seventh bullet]

I never said you started threads. The OP is similar to a rambling post you made on the Ukraine thread last year. And Dugin has been talked about a lot on that one. You know that.

Basically this thread was started because of our little exchange yesterday.

 

[Flavour]

He was an anti-communist during the Soviet era, then weirdly, one of the founding members of the National Bolshevik movement, Neo-Nazis who reappropriate communist imagery for nationalist ends. I think you could call that third position fascism insofar as, like many similar groups in Europe, they reappropriate the symbols and imagery of non-fascist or openly anti-fascist ideology and try to re-market fascism in much the same way as the original fascists did, i.e. as a social movement on the side of the working class.

 

[camouflage]

He was an anti-communist during the Soviet era, then weirdly, one of the founding members of the National Bolshevik movement, Neo-Nazis who reappropriate communist imagery for nationalist ends. I think you could call that third position fascism insofar as, like many similar groups in Europe, they reappropriate the symbols and imagery of non-fascist or openly anti-fascist ideology and try to re-market fascism in much the same way as the original fascists did, i.e. as a social movement on the side of the working class.

Actually rather informative, thanks.

 

[seventh bullet]

National Bolshevism, like the Orthodox Christian nationalist Pamyat before it, was one station on his journey to constructing his own politics, which in part is influenced by the understandings of nation, race and culture of the New Right in western Europe, and a particular blending of British imperial geography, continental geopolitics and the Eurasianisms of the Russian 1920s emigres and those in the Soviet Union.

 

[MochaSoul]

Wow, I was looking for a thread on theories of truth. It's great to find a mention of Dugin. I don't know much about him either but he has featured (if briefly) in my exploration so far.

 

[seventh bullet]

Neo-Eurasianism/'Fourth Political Theory' is what the cool kids of the far-right are into these days.

 

[butchersapron]

Dugin is essentially a high functioning multi-level bullshit artist, a fraud.

Level one is a the philosophical - a crude smashing together of Evola and De Benoist - sometimes transparently plagiaristicly - and Heidegger at his most blood and soil mystical.

Second level is the political which is a straight up rip-off (sorry, updating) of the geo-politics of Halford Mackinder with early eurasianism and classical slavophilia, then smeared into a straight rip off of the writers of the german conservative revolution of the 20s and 30s and modern day cultural racism.

Then the cultural level which is, you'l be surprised to hear is another rip-of - this time of classic occult nazism derived from the loons Miguel Serrano and Savitri Devi (Hitler as Avatar of Vishnu etc) and or general historical conspiracism leavened with a dose of classical Traditionalism and Perennialism.

All designed to help bolster his personal political influence by suggesting that he's in control of a secret body of knowledge available only to initiates through him and his series of front and simply fake institutions and 'universities' and journals. He is helped by very few of the above ever actually being read.

Reading his The Fourth Political Theory alongside Marlene Laruelle's Eurasianism and the European Far Right: Reshaping the Europe-Russia Relationship will demonstrate exactly what game he's playing.

 

[CNT36]

Alexander Dugin, some sort of Russian fascist who looks like Rasputin. I read something he wrote once to see what all the fuss was about, couldn't make heads or tails of it, meaningless waffle about Eurasia, 'cultural identity' and 'multi-polarity' I think. Basically Slavoj Zizek but evil then.

Any thoughts of interest on the guy? And more generally this Third Position Fascism thing, is that related and how does that work?

Dugin is essentially a high functioning multi-level bullshit artist, a fraud.

Level one is a the philosophical - a crude smashing together of Evola and De Benoist - sometimes transparently plagiaristicly - and Heidegger at his most blood and soil mystical.

Second level is the political which is a straight up rip-off (sorry, updating) of the geo-politics of Halford Mackinder with early eurasianism and classical slavophilia, then smeared into a straight rip off of the writers of the german conservative revolution of the 20s and 30s and modern day cultural racism.

Then the cultural level which is, you'l be surprised to here another rip-of - this time of classic occult nazism derived from the loons Miguel Serrano and Savitri Devi (Hitler as Avatar of Vishnu etc) and or general historical conspiracism leavened with a dose of classical Traditionalism and Perennialism.

All designed to help bolster his personal political influence by suggesting that he's in control of a secret body of knowledge available only to initiates through him and his series of front and simply fake institutions and 'universities' and journals. He is helped by very few of the above ever actually being read.

Reading his The Fourth Political Theory alongside Marlene Laruelle's Eurasianism and the European Far Right: Reshaping the Europe-Russia Relationship will demonstrate exactly what game he's playing.

Read this a week or two ago about Dugin and Mackinder The Unlikely Origins of Russia’s Manifest Destiny. Probably worth at least one of yours time.

 

[seventh bullet]

Laruelle is very good. Her earlier book on Russian Eurasianism (not just Dugin) is worth a read. Will post later, on phone now.

 

[MochaSoul]

Thank you for the comments, links and, especially, Butchers, for the ebooks links.

 

[seventh bullet]

Thank you for the comments, links and, especially, Butchers, for the ebooks links.

Here you go (Laruelle).

 

[butchersapron]

Ta

 

[seventh bullet]

Cheers for the latest Laruelle one. I was put off from buying it given the price.

I've got a couple more on Eurasianism more generally but again I'm on my phone now.

MochaSoul, I have Mark Sedgwick's Against the Modern World, which goes into the traditionalism mentioned above. Dugin is included.

 

[butchersapron]

Cheers for the latest Laruelle one. I was put off from buying it given the price.

I've got a couple more on Eurasianism more generally but again I'm on my phone now.

MochaSoul, I have Mark Sedgwick's Against the Modern World, which goes into the traditionalism mentioned above. Dugin is included.

Good book. I have found him close to becoming one of them though. His blog makes his comfort in this arena very clear. And given the tradition of hiding your affiliation in this sort of thing...

(edit: the book btw)

 

[Dom Traynor]

Argggh I've just spent a few hours down a traditionalism hole instead of doing useful things

 

[seventh bullet]

Well, here and here.

 

[MochaSoul]

Argggh I've just spent a few hours down a traditionalism hole instead of doing useful things

Hehehe that's what I like about the internet and fora like this.

Well, here and here.

Thank you, seventh bullet

 

[seventh bullet]

More Laruelle here. Written late last decade, about contemporary Russian nationalism (not only of the far-right) and the state.

 

[J Ed]

More Laruelle here. Written late last decade, about contemporary Russian nationalism (not only of the far-right) and the state.

Thanks

 

[MochaSoul]

Appreciated

 

[butchersapron]

Here's another useful short overview:

The Iuzhinskii Circle: Far-Right Metaphysics in the Soviet Underground and Its Legacy Today

Dugin’s attraction to far-right thinking often seems to have come from nowhere: he was expelled from Pamiat in 1989 for his Nazi sympathies and then began his career as a prolific writer, promoting Eurasianist geopolitics. 1 In fact, his embrace of fascist theories began in the Soviet period, more precisely in the Moscow’s bohemian underground. Dugin was shaped, at a very young age, by the Iuzhinskii (or Golovin) Circle, which since the 1960s had consistently tried to anchor in Russia the European religious and philosophical doctrines that had inspired fascism and esoteric Nazism. The Circle sought to move beyond the classical discourse on Russia’s distinctive path by counterbalancing it with broader references coming from European metaphysical and traditionalist doctrines.

Sort of companion piecefrom Umland:

Aleksandr Dugin’s transformation from a lunatic fringe figure into a mainstream political publicist, 1980–1998: A case study in the rise of late and post-Soviet Russian fascism

 

[not-bono-ever]

The One Man Linking Putin, Erdogan and Trump

Dugin is now getting coverage in Bloomberg as the can do man between Russia/Turkey/USA

fucking hell.

 

[seventh bullet]

The article caricatures him. More seriously, a geopolitical alliance between Russia, Turkey and Iran is one of his aims.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't normally link to pagan anarchist sites but this one has been doing a very decent job of monitoring a particular group of freaks. There's not much new in this piece but it does serve as a good brief intro- if rather falling for his carefully constructed yet fake self-image of a super-powered eminence grise.

“The order of Eurasia, Order of the Male Principle, Sun, Hierarchy, is the projection of the Mount, Apollon, Ormudz, Solar Christ-in-Glory, Christ-pantocrator. Eurasia as the Earth of East is the Earth of Light, Earth of Paradise, Earth of Empire. The Earth of Hope. The Earth of the Pole.

The order of the Atlantic, Order of the Female Principle, Moon, Orgiastic Equality is the projection of the Egyptian Seth, Python, Ahriman, Christ Suffering, Human, immersed in the metaphysical despair of the lonely Getsemane prayer. Atlantic, Atlantis as the Earth of the West, is the Earth of the Night, the Earth of the “pit of exile” (as an islamic sufi said), Centre of Planetary Skepticism, Earth of the Great Metaphysical Spleen.

Still tempted anyone?

 

[Limerick Red]

Here's another useful short overview:

The Iuzhinskii Circle: Far-Right Metaphysics in the Soviet Underground and Its Legacy Today

Sorry for the rather late bump, but this is hugely interesting. It mentions an interesting sounding movement the Islamic Rebirth Party of the Soviet Union. Would you have any reading recommends on this Butchers?

edit: this was useful
The Rise of Political Islam in Soviet Central Asia - by Sebastien Peyrouse