Disturbances in Herne Hill on Fri/Sat night

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Damn middle class! How dare they eat fish! And chips! And even Peas!

they were obviously attempting to "rough it"

 

[corporate whore]

i saw one young lad (maybe 10 years old) order steamed fish (can't remember which fish but it wasn't cod or plaice) with brocolli?

WTF!

Good for him. A fine example of healthy eating.

Fish is a tricky one, though. It's high priced because a) it's difficult to get and b) because it's running out. In a few years there's a chance Olleys won't have any fish to sell. Where will the middle classes eat then? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE MIDDLE CLASSES!

 

[SubZeroCat]

I saw one young lad (maybe 10 years old) order steamed fish (can't remember which fish but it wasn't cod or plaice) with brocolli?

WTF!

You've never known a child to eat fish and/or vegetables?

 

[dogmatique]

they were obviously attempting to "rough it"

Mind you, there was some trustafarian tossbag in there while we were queuing the other week asking "can you do me some grilled Snah-pah?"

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You've never known a child to eat fish and/or vegetables?

I don't really know many children but I know when I was 10 years-old if I had ever been offered the choice of fried fish and chips with mushy peas, or good healthy steamed fish with brocolli, I'd have gone for the unhealthy option

 

[SubZeroCat]

I don't really know many children but I know when I was 10 years-old if I had ever been offered the choice of fried fish and chips with mushy peas, or good healthy steamed fish with brocolli, I'd have gone for the unhealthy option

Yeah I know what you mean, but some kids quite like vegetables. I ate whole fried whitebait (tiny silver fish) when I was a kid, used to love them, heads and all

 

[tarannau]

Since when have whitebait been counted as vegetables then?



Kids generally love weird things like whole livebait in my experience - I've had more luck feeding some kids snails than broccoli in the past.

 

[ChrisFilter]

But that's fried.. any kid that eats steamed fish and veg is a fucktard.

 

[corporate whore]

at Filter. All the healthy eating fucktards will be at your funeral though..

 

[ChrisFilter]

And they'll still be miserable and sanitised, long after my cholesterol, alcohol and drug ridden yet very happy corpse snoozes in the afterlife.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

But that's fried.. any kid that eats steamed fish and veg is a fucktard.

and I'm sure I saw a table of kids eating fruit instead of apple pie and ice cream.

Freaks

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Yeah I know what you mean, but some kids quite like vegetables. I ate whole fried whitebait (tiny silver fish) when I was a kid, used to love them, heads and all

yes, but most kids don't. Eating carrots is one thing, brocolli is an entirely different matter

 

[twistedAM]

and I'm sure I saw a table of kids eating fruit instead of apple pie and ice cream.

Freaks

How the fuck can you get the appetite for fruit in place that must be reeking of eau de chip fat???

I can smell it every time I drive past.

I went off Herne Hill a couple of years ago when (for some unknown reason) I went to Escape for a drink and the next two tables were occupied by people scouring those estate agent newsletters. Just seemed a wrong thing to be doing in a bar on an early Friday evening.

 

[Giles]

Cor blimey. If they've the pub neighbourhood scheme in force, they could get barred from all the gastropubs from in the area.

No frappuchinos or raspberry coulis for them, oh no sir. They'll be gutted.



More seriously, if this was the chain of events, then I've a certain degree of sympathy for the 'old style' locals. They're probably still living nearby, as they may have done for generations, but there isn't a single inclusive boozer left in Herne Hill - every pub has been converted into cash cow gastropubs by folks outside of the area. It's difficult not to feel resentment when you've got folks assessing's your local's investment potential and making a clear and obvious move to change clientele, favouring only the more priveleged sorts who drink real ale and don't find it perverse to spend over £12 on a pub roast dinner.

Even "gastropubs" still serve the full range of lagers, beers etc. And you don't have to eat to drink there.

Giles..

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

How the fuck can you get the appetite for fruit in place that must be reeking of eau de chip fat???

I can smell it every time I drive past.

I went off Herne Hill a couple of years ago when (for some unknown reason) I went to Escape for a drink and the next two tables were occupied by people scouring those estate agent newsletters. Just seemed a wrong thing to be doing in a bar on an early Friday evening.

Yes, but no doubt 5 years ago, people would have thought it wrong to be sitting typing on a laptop in a bar on an early Friday evening

 

[twistedAM]

Yes, but no doubt 5 years ago, people would have thought it wrong to be sitting typing on a laptop in a bar on an early Friday evening

anytime is good for downloading porn

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

anytime is good for downloading porn

I'm shocked.

 

[Structaural]

yes, but most kids don't. Eating carrots is one thing, brocolli is an entirely different matter

My little girl's addicted to broccoli - it's almost all she will eat. Weird. She certainly doesn't get it from me. 'brocy, brocy' is all we hear....

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

My little girl's addicted to broccoli - it's almost all she will eat. Weird. She certainly doesn't get it from me. 'brocy, brocy' is all we hear....

Your child is obviosusly a very rare thing

 

[Structaural]

Your child is obviosusly a very rare thing

Indeed I've got a feeling she'll suddenly grow out of it, and I'll have to eat my own broccoli again...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Indeed I've got a feeling she'll suddenly grow out of it, and I'll have to eat my own broccoli again...

You could get a dog tol hide under the table

 

[Structaural]

You could get a dog tol hide under the table

I've never even known a dog that likes broccolli


(except my mum's strange vegetarian dog who prefers an apple to a bone)

 

[tarannau]

Even "gastropubs" still serve the full range of lagers, beers etc. And you don't have to eat to drink there.

Giles..

Aye, but who wants to drink in what's often a small partition of a large bar, cut off from the 'reserved' seating area. Where's the sense of community togetherness when everyone's off to their pre-arranged meals and silo'ed off at different corners of the room. Where's the life in the place when you're asked to quieten down so as not to put the diners off their food?

One gastropub in an area's alright, but when every nearby pub turns into an ersatz-restaurant, it's difficult not to feel as though something's missing.

 

[twistedAM]

Aye, but who wants to drink in what's often a small partition of a large bar, cut off from the 'reserved' seating area. Where's the sense of community togetherness when everyone's off to their pre-arranged meals and silo'ed off at different corners of the room. Where's the life in the place when you're asked to quieten down so as not to put the diners off their food?

One gastropub in an area's alright, but when every nearby pub turns into an ersatz-restaurant, it's difficult not to feel as though something's missing.

I sympathise with you entirely but I also think times have just moved on. The idea of a traditional British pub is dying in many places because of simple economics and, I guess, the growth of the middle class esp in areas like Brixton and Herne Hill.

Also, (and I'm just going on personal experience here and haven't any offical figures to hand) the price of a pint in a bar seems to have moved well ahead of inflation while the breweries are pumping booze out to supermarkets and cash and carries at a price that is cheaper at retail than it was a few years ago.

Pubs struggle in a situation wherein a case of beer from the brewery that they're tied costs more than the prices charged by a typical convenience store, let alone a stack-em-high supermarket.

In that environment pubs have had to change their tack and have had to do something lese with the premises be it music or gastro-itis.

 

[tarannau]

You see, I'd have more sympathy if The Florence hadn't replaced a highly successful, far more inclusive pub in Ganleys. Ganleys was doing fine by all accounts, but the owner of the Bishop and his portfolio of pubs had cash to burn. A big offer ensued and - regardless of the existing clientele -The Florence was always likely to follow an established branding pattern.

I think you're right in many ways though - pubs do seem to be changing. The issue is that the scene's become more fragmented - on one hand you've drinking barns and value-led volume operations like Wetherspoons, on the other you've 'value-added' premium gastro openings. Like in many other industry sectors, it's the middle ground which is squeezed out of all recognition. And in pub terms, that's your neighbourhood and everyday independent boozer.

Pubs should go beyond profit maximisation imo. Any idiot can see that it's easier to make quicker profits and higher margins from food than the heavily-taxed grog, but there's a social dimension to pubs that can't be replaced by the substitution of pan-fried turbot and beetroot foam.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You see, I'd have more sympathy if The Florence hadn't replaced a highly successful, far more inclusive pub in Ganleys. Ganleys was doing fine by all accounts, but the owner of the Bishop and his portfolio of pubs had cash to burn. A big offer ensued and - regardless of the existing clientele -The Florence was always likely to follow an established branding pattern.

I think you're right in many ways though - pubs do seem to be changing. The issue is that the scene's become more fragmented - on one hand you've drinking barns and value-led volume operations like Wetherspoons, on the other you've 'value-added' premium gastro openings. Like in many other industry sectors, it's the middle ground which is squeezed out of all recognition. And in pub terms, that's your neighbourhood and everyday independent boozer.

Pubs should go beyond profit maximisation imo. Any idiot can see that it's easier to make quicker profits and higher margins from food than the heavily-taxed grog, but there's a social dimension to pubs that can't be replaced by the substitution of pan-fried turbot and beetroot foam.

I personally think pubs should be put on a Endangered Sights of London list, else they'll go the same way as Red Telephone Boxes and Routemasters.

There'll only be a few left for the tourists

 

[Dan U]

You see, I'd have more sympathy if The Florence hadn't replaced a highly successful, far more inclusive pub in Ganleys. Ganleys was doing fine by all accounts, but the owner of the Bishop and his portfolio of pubs had cash to burn. A big offer ensued and - regardless of the existing clientele -The Florence was always likely to follow an established branding pattern.

I think you're right in many ways though - pubs do seem to be changing. The issue is that the scene's become more fragmented - on one hand you've drinking barns and value-led volume operations like Wetherspoons, on the other you've 'value-added' premium gastro openings. Like in many other industry sectors, it's the middle ground which is squeezed out of all recognition. And in pub terms, that's your neighbourhood and everyday independent boozer.

Pubs should go beyond profit maximisation imo. Any idiot can see that it's easier to make quicker profits and higher margins from food than the heavily-taxed grog, but there's a social dimension to pubs that can't be replaced by the substitution of pan-fried turbot and beetroot foam.

^^^ this

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

You see, I'd have more sympathy if The Florence hadn't replaced a highly successful, far more inclusive pub in Ganleys. Ganleys was doing fine by all accounts, but the owner of the Bishop and his portfolio of pubs had cash to burn. A big offer ensued and - regardless of the existing clientele -The Florence was always likely to follow an established branding pattern.

I think you're right in many ways though - pubs do seem to be changing. The issue is that the scene's become more fragmented - on one hand you've drinking barns and value-led volume operations like Wetherspoons, on the other you've 'value-added' premium gastro openings. Like in many other industry sectors, it's the middle ground which is squeezed out of all recognition. And in pub terms, that's your neighbourhood and everyday independent boozer.

Pubs should go beyond profit maximisation imo. Any idiot can see that it's easier to make quicker profits and higher margins from food than the heavily-taxed grog, but there's a social dimension to pubs that can't be replaced by the substitution of pan-fried turbot and beetroot foam.

Spot on.

 

[Maggot]

I wish I was as articulate as tarannau.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I wish I was as articulate as tarannau.

same as

Makes you think he's too intelligent to be drinking in real old boozers and should be with the yuppies