Dismissed for an unsubstantiated rumour

[juice_terry]

Sounds more and more dodgy to me ..

When you told your new director that his allegation was false, did he say anything?

Not a great deal to be honest.. I gave him the numbers of my old managers but he didn't act on it .. just emailed it to the line manager who it had been reported to .. I can't understand why not do the easy thing and ring and find out straight from the horses mouth... that being the same managers who provided them with a reference about me in the first place

 

[weltweit]

If it is the same manager that gave you a reference then it seems even stranger.

Effectively your new director is saying they lied on there reference.

 

[juice_terry]

Do you want them to rescind the termination of contract? or are you pissed off with them and want out?

Yes to both of those things to be honest wiskey.. I want the termination rescinded .. I need a job to pay the bills but to say I'm pissed off with them is an understatement and the frame if mind I'm in right now I really don't want to go back .. eta the worst thing is I was not working for two months since resigning from my previous job (although some of that was using annual leave as notice period) due to the dbs to take forever and a day .. so it works out about 2 weeks without any income which would be manageable knowing I was starting this job .. so they've known all about me since May (when I was interviewed) .. I can't understand why someone would lie about me .. I'm certainly gunning for whoever said such bullshit

 

[wiskey]

I'm not bloody surprised, it sounds shoddy as anything

 

[juice_terry]

If it is the same manager that gave you a reference then it seems even stranger.

Effectively your new director is saying they lied on there reference.

Bit they didn't lie on their reference did they ? I have never been sacked by them

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The employer can sack you for any reason they like, you've only been there 3 days.

They can, but it's highly unusual for this to happen whilst you're still just training and more so given it's based on bullshit (from whom?).

 

[Sue]

Sorry to hear that. Bastards.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Proper shit. Hope it gets sorted.

 

[weltweit]

I was wondering if perhaps they might have been somehow prevented from hiring someone else, hired you but then found that the other person had become available.

It would still stink.

But also would not explain why they used this fictional reason to dismiss you when in fact they need not give a reason iirc ... do they have to give a reason inside a probation period?

 

[cupid_stunt]

juice_terry this sounds shit. Hope you can rescue the situation in the short-term, needs must, etc.

Then, look for another job ASAP, they are arseholes, and working for arseholes is not good long-term.

Good luck.

 

[1927]

Reading between the lines i think the allegation that you were dismissed from your previous job is just an excuse to out you for some reason, as suggested by weltweit above. Don't get too hung up on trying to figure out who is shit stirring, cos i'm not sure that anyone has been.

Shit position to be in with a shit employer by the sounds of it.

 

[equationgirl]

The employer can sack you for any reason they like, you've only been there 3 days. You must have some kind of case against the people who gave them the false information. The only thing you are entitled to from the new employer is a written explanation of why you've been let go which is normally fuck all use but in your case you should definitely ask for this.

Whilst they can sack you, they are also opening themselves up to massive liability - there was recent case law where someone issued a written reference for a person, which was perfectly fine and they were then issued a written job offer and I think accepted it, only for someone to phone the new employer and give a verbal reference that was less than glowing. The job offer was then rescinded.

If memory serves, it went to tribunal and person got damages because the new employer had done no checking of any facts and the verbal reference was not true.

 

[kabbes]

Reading between the lines i think the allegation that you were dismissed from your previous job is just an excuse to out you for some reason, as suggested by weltweit above. Don't get too hung up on trying to figure out who is shit stirring, cos i'm not sure that anyone has been.

Shit position to be in with a shit employer by the sounds of it.

It's an unnecessarily elaborate and even risky way of achieving something that could be done much more simply instead with an uncounterable "sorry, this just isn't working out". So that seems unlikely.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Of course that assumes competent management.

 

[juice_terry]

How it seems at the moment is that somebody who is working at my new place has said to the line manager "Oh he was sacked from the last place for xxx" the line manager has taken this as gospel and told the director to terminate my contract on the basis that I failed to disclose this .. they haven't even asked me really they have just told me .. "you failed to disclose this " to which I replied that I couldn't disclose something that didn't happen.. It's is nobody from my previous employer (in an authorised position) who has disclosed anything or has given a second verbal reference that isn't so good .. I have spoken to them and they are supporting me and have written supporting statements to that effect.. I don't know what they agenda of the new employer is but they are making a pigs ear of it !!!

ETA: the reasons that they said I was dismissed from my last job are ludicrous and defaming hence I will be seeking further action against the said individual when I find out who it is .. it isn't just shit stirring .. behaviour like this could cost someone their career let alone this one job

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It sounds like it's someone who feels threatened by new employees being taken on who is making shit up to bolster their position (from what little has been revealed here) as it can't be a grudge if they don't know you.

 

[moochedit]

is there any chance of getting your old job back? or have they already replaced you?

 

[juice_terry]

is there any chance of getting your old job back? or have they already replaced you?

Already replaced me .. I left that position as I needed a step down and a change of scenery .. I'm in nursing btw .. previous role was working with older people .. this was a move to work with adults with enduring mh problems and I would have been doing more of what I initially trained for .

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[killer b]

It's an unnecessarily elaborate and even risky way of achieving something that could be done much more simply instead with an uncounterable "sorry, this just isn't working out". So that seems unlikely.

IME people are more likely to make up an outlandish lie that makes it not their fault than go for the simple way of doing it that makes them look like a cunt.

 

[killer b]

(that said I don't think there's any point in us speculating whether it's the case here... but nor should it be discounted.)

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course that assumes competent management.

so often a contradiction in terms

 

[StoneRoad]

so often a contradiction in terms

prime example of an oxymoron, a bit like military intelligence

 

[Saul Goodman]

prime example of an oxymoron, a bit like military intelligence

Or Microsoft Works.

 

[juice_terry]

Still no contact between my previous employer and current employer (my previous employer is being very supportive and updating me about lack of contact).. there has been no response to my verbal request for the nursing director to disclose where, when, how and from whom this false information was received. I witnessed the hospital director e-mail her this request yesterday.. she would have read the email by now. Union rep been in touch .. I am now writing a letter to the employer requesting reconsideration of their decision .. with letter from my previous operations manager as evidence that this allegation is untrue and a letter formally requesting the details of the allegations etc under the data protection based on the link kindly provided by farmerbarleymow .. then I guess it's just a case of wait and see ... thankfully I've managed to get some shifts through an agency which at least will bring a few quid in.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Place is begging to be picketed.

 

[weltweit]

Hope you get a good result out of this juice_terry

 

[juice_terry]

Hope you get a good result out of this juice_terry

Fingers crossed, not sure what result I can realistically hope for other than the termination of contract be rescinded, I want the name of tne person who said it in first place as I'm going down defamation route with that. I certainly want an apology from this employer .. a response to my e-mail I've sent would be a better start though lol

 

[ddraig]

what a nightmare!

I may or may not have a disciplinary tomorrow based on lies
was accompanied to office to collect stuff and meant to have access to pc but account blocked so can't even get evidence to counter the crappy claims.
had a week and 2 days notice after being there since Sept 2015, been dragged out and not been earning for a few weeks now

hope you get justice and the shit stirrer gets theirs!

 

[Pickman's model]

what a nightmare!

I may or may not have a disciplinary tomorrow based on lies
was accompanied to office to collect stuff and meant to have access to pc but account blocked so can't even get evidence to counter the crappy claims.
had a week and 2 days notice after being there since Sept 2015, been dragged out and not been earning for a few weeks now

hope you get justice and the shit stirrer gets theirs!

Good luck to you ddraig

 

[juice_terry]

Best of luck ddraig.. It's a fucking horrible position to be in .. fair enough if you're in the wrong .. you still shit it about losing your job but expect it .. when it's something you haven't done it's a nightmare especially when it's dragged out . Have you not been suspended on full pay while it's investigated ?

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