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SpookyFrank said:
It's not supposed to be intellectual or subversive or any of that shit, it's supposed to be funny. And it is funny.

I'm sure there are plenty of suitably ponderous and depressing films on at your local arthouse cinema that you could go and see instead.
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I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this is funny.

Btw., have I mentioned that I didn't like the film? :mad::mad::mad:
 
The Octagon said:
He'd have needed to have watched past the opening credits and first scene for that :D

The arrogance to critique a film without seeing it and then deride others for enjoying it.

It's like every superior film student snob I met at Uni.
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If you hate every single second of the first twenty minutes of a film and can't think of anything but that you want everybody involved in its making to die a slow and painful death, it's save to assume that the film may not be for you. How is that "arrogant"? Does Deadpool change in any significant way as a character ? Does the sub-Seth McFarlane style of humor change ? It shouldn't be a great surprise here that I've watched enough films in my life to have the confidence to pull the plug early when a film pretty much does everything I hate. But please, enlighten me how someone who loathed the first act would warm to this smarmy pile of shit eventually.

Of course you have to discredit me by coming out with the most tired attack on "film snobs" imaginable, the first cliche people roll out when someone doesn't like the populist film they like. It's not like I haven't stood up for many popular Hollywood films on here. I especially liked several of the X-Men films, so it's hardly like I'm elitist about film and that I just watch "depressing art house films" (as SpookyFrank put it, because that's all everybody who doesn't appreciate the finer points of Deadpool watches). It's really not that difficult to find out about either, I've written about film here for well over a decade.
 
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Reno said:
Of course you have to discredit me by coming out with the most tired attack on "film snobs" imaginable, the first cliche people roll out when someone doesn't like the populist film they like. It's not like I haven't stood up for many popular Hollywood films on here. I especially liked several of the X-Men films, so it's hardly like I'm elitist about film and that I just watch "depressing art house films" (as SpookyFrankput it, because that's all everybody who doesn't appreciate the finer points of Deadpool watches). It's really not that difficult to find out about either, I've written about film here for well over a decade.
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Perhaps Octagon felt he didn't need to look up your entire posting history, having read a lot of posts in the past, and so and having the confidence to be able to pull the plug on that kind of consideration when the first few posts were ample information to make a judgment on. ;)
 
Reno said:
Of course you have to discredit me by coming out with the most tired attack on "film snobs" imaginable, the first cliche people roll out when someone doesn't like the populist film they like. It's not like I haven't stood up for many popular Hollywood films on here. I especially liked several of the X-Men films, so it's hardly like I'm elitist about film and that I just watch "depressing art house films" (as SpookyFrank put it, because that's all everybody who doesn't appreciate the finer points of Deadpool watches).
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But you were specifically criticising the film for its failure to be subversive or clever enough for you. Did you really thing they were trying to make something clever?
 
Reno said:
It's really not that difficult to find out about either, I've written about film here for well over a decade.
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Well if you've been bitching on the internet for ten years you must be an expert. There are few among us who can claim such impeccable credentials.

Excpet those of us who actually watched the film in question.
 
Reno said:
If you hate every single second of the first twenty minutes of a film and can't think of anything but that you want everybody involved in its making to die a slow and painful death, it's save to assume that the film may not be for you. How is that "arrogant"? Does Deadpool change in any significant way as a character ? Does the sub-Seth McFarlane style of humor change ? It shouldn't be a great surprise here that I've watched enough films in my life to have the confidence to pull the plug early when a film pretty much does everything I hate. But please, enlighten me how someone who loathed the first act would warm to this smarmy pile of shit eventually.

Of course you have to discredit me by coming out with the most tired attack on "film snobs" imaginable, the first cliche people roll out when someone doesn't like the populist film they like. It's not like I haven't stood up for many popular Hollywood films on here. I especially liked several of the X-Men films, so it's hardly like I'm elitist about film and that I just watch "depressing art house films" (as SpookyFrank put it, because that's all everybody who doesn't appreciate the finer points of Deadpool watches). It's really not that difficult to find out about either, I've written about film here for well over a decade.
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Yes, I'm sure those are your actual thoughts on every second of the opening minutes, not at all hyperbole designed to set you apart from the common consensus, it comes across as superior.

I never said you had to like it, that's fair enough, but you didn't watch it, full stop (not even the first act, the film is nearly 2 hours long and changes tone at several points, in fact most of the first half is a relationship subplot, nothing like the opening scenes).

What I took issue with was "I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this is funny", as the only intention of such a phrase is to belittle others' experience and tastes.

I tend to agree with your opinions on many other films, and you're clearly passionate about the subject, but your attitude was shitty and I called you on it.

If you're not going to bother to watch a film, why come into a thread about it to give ill-informed critiques?
 
The Octagon said:
Yes, I'm sure those are your actual thoughts on every second of the opening minutes, not at all hyperbole designed to set you apart from the common consensus, it comes across as superior.

I never said you had to like it, that's fair enough, but you didn't watch it, full stop (not even the first act, the film is nearly 2 hours long and changes tone at several points, in fact most of the first half is a relationship subplot, nothing like the opening scenes).

What I took issue with was "I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this is funny", as the only intention of such a phrase is to belittle others' experience and tastes.

I tend to agree with your opinions on many other films, and you're clearly passionate about the subject, but your attitude was shitty and I called you on it.

If you're not going to bother to watch a film, why come into a thread about it to give ill-informed critiques?
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When I've got the time I will take up the challenge and I will watch the whole fucking thing and then I'll be back and I will let you know if it got any better.
 
I know I laughed, but I honestly can't remember at what. Not the greatest advert for a comedy.

As I said upthread, perhaps I went in with excessive expectations but I was certainly expecting it to be more subversive and smarter than it was. A lot of the jokes were blunt and it pulled its punches.
 
Haven't seen the film yet but Deadpool is about as clever and subversive as Marvel comics get. There are far more clever and subversive comics in the world just not published by Marvel. It's all relative. Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe is one of the best Marvel comics ever though.
 
maomao said:
Haven't seen the film yet but Deadpool is about as clever and subversive as Marvel comics get. There are far more clever and subversive comics in the world just not published by Marvel. It's all relative. Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe is one of the best Marvel comics ever though.
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I have a set of Grant Morrison X-Men collections here that says otherwise, at least in terms of clever—not sure how subversive they are but cleverness in comics that were previously dumb is subversive in itself.

After seeing the film I did look for some of the allegedly clever Deadpool comics but tbh I wasn't impressed. I think expectations were lower back then and people were looking elsewhere if they really wanted something interesting.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I have a set of Grant Morrison X-Men collections here that says otherwise, at least in terms of clever—not sure how subversive they are but cleverness in comics that were previously dumb is subversive in itself.

After seeing the film I did look for some of the allegedly clever Deadpool comics but tbh I wasn't impressed. I think expectations were lower back then and people were looking elsewhere if they really wanted something interesting.
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Ok maybe not the cleverest but it's for 16 year olds that have got bored of Spiderman, it's not Watchmen. I've read a few but I still read Spiderman too.
 
maomao said:
Ok maybe not the cleverest but it's for 16 year olds that have got bored of Spiderman, it's not Watchmen. I've read a few but I still read Spiderman too.
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I have to say that the film is probably aimed at 16 year olds (or younger) who have got bored of X-Men films and the po-faced attitude that goes along with them. I will still laugh at teenage humour clearly but it doesn't have anything deeper to it than being a bit cliché-transgressive with swearing, sex and violence. Though that does have a point in itself.

The (male) teenager targetting is pretty obvious when it comes to sex in the film. There is a bit of actual sex but it's fantasy stuff and the female characters involved are basically not real; almost all of the sexual references are dirty jokes and stuff about wanking. Deadpool spends most of the film being sexually frustrated after a brief dreamlike shagging period.
 
Virtual Blue said:
It doesn't get better but you will laugh here and there.
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I had the misfortune of watching it all the way through and don't remember laughing much, if at all. I remember sitting there in utter bemusement at what I was seeing and trying to work out why it had been well reviewed. The only thing I thought was even remotely amusing/interesting was the opening credits and it went downhill quickly from there.
 
I do get that this movie is not for everyone. it really isn't. However if people don't understand why people like this film i think it's due to lack of context.

Deadpool is probably the first comic book movie that really really relies on context.

i suggest watching wolverine origins as a quick insight into why a lot of people really liked this movie.

Deadpool is a very silly character. He exists in a silly comic book universe. He was created by one of the least talented people in comics in the time of the most excess.

What he turned into was the satyr play to cleanse the palate after the "serious" drama. It deflates the seriousness of the comic book universe and reminds us of the excesses of the genre by embodying them and turning them up to 11

Deadpool was good for the same reason Batman V Superman was dreadful.

Also fun fact. The creator of deadpool once wrote a comic so bad it might have killed some one.
 
Shippou-Sensei said:
I do get that this movie is not for everyone. it really isn't. However if people don't understand why people like this film i think it's due to lack of context.

Deadpool is probably the first comic book movie that really really relies on context.

i suggest watching wolverine origins as a quick insight into why a lot of people really liked this movie.

Deadpool is a very silly character. He exists in a silly comic book universe. He was created by one of the least talented people in comics in the time of the most excess.

What he turned into was the satyr play to cleanse the palate after the "serious" drama. It deflates the seriousness of the comic book universe and reminds us of the excesses of the genre by embodying them and turning them up to 11

Deadpool was good for the same reason Batman V Superman was dreadful.

Also fun fact. The creator of deadpool once wrote a comic so bad it might have killed some one.
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You present polarities as if there were only po-faced, super-serious, "dark" comic films out there like Batman v Superman and like this was the only alternative. But the majority of superhero flicks aren't like that. The most successful comic book franchise, the Marvel Universe films, are mostly quite light hearted. The Iron Man films are fairly comedic, as were the first Thor, Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy and even the Captain America and the Avengers films have plenty of snappy one-liners and repartee which undercut the seriousness. I find the humour in those films smarter then the arse scratching, sub-Tarantino "violence for laughs" and heavy handed irony of Deadpool. The humour of Iron Man is closer to that of a 30s screwball comedy and I'll take that over the teenboy-pandering of Deadpool any day.

I saw Wolverine Origins and it's simply an inept mess of a film, the result of a troubled production as occasionally happens. I don't know how that puts anything in context. The follow-up Woverine film was fairly decent though. Not comedic but also not particularly "dark", it was a throwback to 70s orientalist genre flicks like The Yakuza with Robert Mitchum.

Btw. I made advances with Deadpool, watched another half an hour and fell asleep.
 
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Have watched it now. It's Spiderman with dick jokes. But I like Spiderman and dick jokes. Mrs maomao doesn't really like Spiderman and almost went for an early shower but ended up staying for the dick jokes. Better than the Avengers movies, not as good as Kickass. 8/10.
 
Reno said:
I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this is funny.
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I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't find it even remotely funny.

Reno said:
It's a superhero film for people who think Family Guy is the pinacle of smarts and wit.
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Do you by any chance write film reviews on IMDB, then sit back and admire your critique, as you bask in a pool of your own self importance?
 
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