TruXta
tired
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Crystal Palace/Sydenham/Penge Chitter Chatter
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Yeah looks like it. Drinks menu looks quite good! http://thehavanahouse.co.uk/images/menus/drinks.pdf
We've already got Casa Cuba, and now Havana House too?
Is there another Cuban place then? I feel a mojito crawl coming on.
TruXta
tired
Yeah, opposite the White Hart.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
It will affect the 410 as that still goes across Tenison Road when it goes South. I am not at all sure how they will divert it.
I am hoping that, like the Goat House Bridge, it will mostly be traffic light controlled and only actually closed for a short amount of time.
Oh right, I thought it was diverted both ways because of the weight limit. If you saw the underside of the bridge, you'd see why...
It's a major project to replace that bridge - I had a quick look at the plans at work (it affects the railway to a great extent as you might imagine, makes it impossible to get trains in/out of Selhurst depot during some of the work). I think they will be constructing a temporary pedestrian footbridge and sliding a new road deck into place at some point. And there are utilities in the present bridge that will need diverting/reinstating. More than just traffic lights needed. I'll see if the plans are still knocking around the mess room and find out more.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
The route the 410 currently goes on diversion is partly one way, so they will have to look at a different route if they want to divert it going South. I guess they will go under the bridge and down Portland Road, and then turn right past that derelict pub and wiggle round until it gets back to the other end of Tenison Road.
I am not surprised that they are replacing the bridge, as it looks a bit dodgy. I am just worried about how I am going to get anywhere if it is closed completely!
I rely on that bus, and I also drive over the bridge several times a day. I am assuming they won't start on it until the Goat House bridge is finished, because that has already fucked up the traffic in the area.
Tenison Road is crammed in the rush hour already - I have no idea where all that traffic is going to go, and how I will get from my house to Selhurst station once it is closed. Even if it was just traffic lights, it'd be bad.
Network Rail said:
From this: http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...-London-road-bridges-to-be-improved-1dc7.aspx
Looks like Tenison Road will be closed to vehicles for some time. Hard to see how else they can do it without causing a huge amount of disruption to the railway, particularly the depot.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Oh yeah - it says that Tenison Road is being replaced, whereas the Goat House Bridge is only being strengthened.
I just don't know how I am going to get to the station to get my train. I have been trying not to think about it ever since I got the letter saying that this was going to happen!
Norwood Jct might be easier? The Clifford Road entrance. You could get to that without crossing the railway.Oh yeah - it says that Tenison Road is being replaced, whereas the Goat House Bridge is only being strengthened.
I just don't know how I am going to get to the station to get my train. I have been trying not to think about it ever since I got the letter saying that this was going to happen!
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Yeah, I used Norwood Junction for years before discovering Selhurst, so I guess I will have to go back to using that one. The trouble is that the trains to Clapham Junction from NJ are only half hourly so that, if you miss one, you either have to wait, or slog to East Croydon on the next train going that way (plus lots of stairs to change platforms) and then stand on a train to Clapham Junction.
The London Bridge trains from NJ, although fantastically fast, are horrifically overcrowded, and I really can't stand on trains these days.
Selhurst has the major advantage of having trains every few minutes to Clapham Junction, which are faster than the ones from NJ, in fact.
But I can see myself having to go via NJ whilst Tenison Road is closed. Or getting the bus to East Croydon, which is more expensive and usually overcrowded trains!
Hmmph.
In addition, Tenison Road lies between me and my daughter, so I will be forced to drive via Portland Road, which is crazily busy already and will, presumably, be even more so whilst traffic is diverted from Tenison Road.
*sigh*
There's only 5 minutes in it (22mins NWD to CLJ, 17mins SRS to CLJ). But yes, it's a better service from Selhurst.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I know - the 5 minutes wouldn't matter if it was the same frequency of service.
Another advantage of commuting from Selhurst is that I can drive and park nearby. I have to walk or get the bus to NJ.
boohoo
No.
Did you hug the tree? Bet you didn't and that's why they chopped it down!!
I understand that trees have a life span but comments on a site about it being removed suggested that it might have been taken down by owners rather than done because it was dying.
While I have your attention, are oak trees always so flimsey - I've seen quite a few large branches knocked off oaks - on Gibson Hill, Norwood Grove and Beaulieu Heights.
I haven't joined the Norwood Society but it does look very interesting.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Did you hug the tree? Bet you didn't and that's why they chopped it down!!
I understand that trees have a life span but comments on a site about it being removed suggested that it might have been taken down by owners rather than done because it was dying.
While I have your attention, are oak trees always so flimsey - I've seen quite a few large branches knocked off oaks - on Gibson Hill, Norwood Grove and Beaulieu Heights.
I haven't joined the Norwood Society but it does look very interesting.
I don't know about that specific tree (it'd be interesting to know what those comments were) so can only make some general points:
If that tree is in a conservation area or is covered by a TPO, it'd need permission from the LA to be felled and the LA would likely refuse unless there's a good reason. There may be a current planning consent for building work on the site (I'm sure you know how to find out if there is
), that might include removal of tree(s), which may be undertaken some time before construction work begins to allow shrinkable clay soils (like London clay) to rehydrate. Removal of a tree on a desiccated soil then commencing construction without allowing rehydration can lead to heave if the foundation design is insufficient. Trees can look perfectly healthy (i.e., with a full leafy crown) and still need felling for safety reasons - extensive internal decay which can cause failure is often only obvious to the trained eye or with extensive investigations, and with some decay fungi (like Kretschmaria) there can be no signs of decay until the tree collapses. Tree hazard assessment is largely 'target led' these days - a tree with extensive decay in a rarely visited woodland with no public access can be left to collapse, but in an urban setting the risk of damage to property or injury to people from the same tree is much greater; the tree owner is obviously at risk of liability should that happen and would be negligent not to take action if the tree is known to be hazardous.
If it's a big tree that requires sectional felling, the costs could be at least £1000, possibly more. Most people wouldn't want to go to that sort of expense without good reason.
As for oaks, they're generally pretty resilient, but a mature tree will shed dead branches. And given the strong winds we've had lately, it's not entirely surprising if live branches are shed too - it's now thought to be a survival strategy for a mature tree to shed branches in strong winds as this reduces the sail area and the risk of the entire tree failing.
If you find out any more, let me know
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Also don't oaks lose their leaves later than most other species? This would mean they are more likely to blow over than the trees which have already shed most of their leaves.As for oaks, they're generally pretty resilient, but a mature tree will shed dead branches. And given the strong winds we've had lately, it's not entirely surprising if live branches are shed too - it's now thought to be a survival strategy for a mature tree to shed branches in strong winds as this reduces the sail area and the risk of the entire tree failing.
If you find out any more, let me know
Went to Havana House on the weekend - was very nice, had the El Presidente cocktails and they were very strong!
Yes to the first bit (generally). Although the storms that caused the branch drop boohoo saw came before there was much in the way of leaf fall. As for the second bit, well no, not necessarily, oaks (as a specie) will be mechanically optimised to take that into account - it's all a bit complicated and not perfectly understood though.
All a bit off topic there, sorry.
boohoo
No.
It's not off topic - this is the Great North wood (in my head) so we need to know about the trees!
When's the next lot of drinks? Maybe a winterval meal somewhere?
TruXta
tired
It's not off topic - this is the Great North wood (in my head) so we need to know about the trees!
When's the next lot of drinks? Maybe a winterval meal somewhere?
I think you just volunteered to organise...
To all the Crystal Palacers, Mrs B and I are thinking of moving away from Herne Hill and buying a 2-bed place with a garden around Crystal Palace (if we can afford it). Can any of you suggest any areas in Crystal Palace that you think are particularly good value for money?
Thanks!
Thanks!
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i'm not an expert on up the hill, but here in Anerley, about ten minutes walk from CP station, we're still pretty uncool and fairly good value (for london). my lady and i are thinking of buying down here in a few years.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
pretty mauch all of the areas surrounding the park except crystal palace itself, are comparatively good value and quite nice enough. we're at the top of sydenham hill - just off the transmitter corner of the park. Lots of council estates which means lots of ex-council properties, which means they tend to be a fair bit cheaper than your victorian terrace.
we did more or less the same, btw - moved from a rented one bed in herne hill to buy a three bed house with small garden round here. had help with the deposit, but the mortgage isn't that much more than we were paying before (and is less than the landlord is charging now for our old flat).
we did more or less the same, btw - moved from a rented one bed in herne hill to buy a three bed house with small garden round here. had help with the deposit, but the mortgage isn't that much more than we were paying before (and is less than the landlord is charging now for our old flat).
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
House prices in Crystal Palace area are on the way up, from what I can see. In fact, Foxtons has now established itself, which is not helping, imho.
My daughter lives in South Norwood, where house prices are a lot better than closer to Crystal Palace, but still readily accessible to the area. Some of their friends have just bought a house very similar to theirs, but at a ridiculously inflated price because it is near Crystal Palace.
My daughter lives in South Norwood, where house prices are a lot better than closer to Crystal Palace, but still readily accessible to the area. Some of their friends have just bought a house very similar to theirs, but at a ridiculously inflated price because it is near Crystal Palace.
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Just Victoria, but you can change at Herne Hill to get to Blackfriars.
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