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Control (Ian Curtis film)

veracity said:
Saw it Friday, had been waited for it to come out for bloody months and it lived up to expectations. Beautifully shot, the "live" scenes were absolutely electrifying and there were some good laughs along the way to the inevitable tragedy. For me there is no way to make sense of Ian's suicide (or indeed any suicide) but I think the film managed to portray his life (and death) in a sensitive and thought provoking way.

I respected the way the suicide was 'explained' away in quite prosaic terms - infatuated with the Belgian bird, still in love with the dowdy wife (which broke a few cliches in itself), bit pissed, bit depressed after watching Wozjek. But on another night...who knows? Would just have woken up with a hangover and feeling a bit shit, but getting on with the tour of the US. Much better than pretending it was all some mahoosive existential crisis.
 
Not seen it yet, but I've been wondering where they would have used as a location for the Victoria flats in Macc (demolished a while ago), coz that type of estate is becoming quite rare.
 
Indeed. Vicky Flats went in 2002. Some of the grimmer locations were in Nottingham, so maybe it's there.
 
veracity said:
Saw it Friday, had been waited for it to come out for bloody months and it lived up to expectations. Beautifully shot, the "live" scenes were absolutely electrifying and there were some good laughs along the way to the inevitable tragedy. For me there is no way to make sense of Ian's suicide (or indeed any suicide) but I think the film managed to portray his life (and death) in a sensitive and thought provoking way.
This just about covers it.

I must say I knew only a little of Joy Division's music and only a potted history of the band - I approached it more as a Corbijn fan than anything else. I thought the film was fantastic - beautifully acted, stunningly shot and emotional. Bravo Anton and the crew! What film will he make next?
 
^^^Yeah, so did I - and I saw them play twice for real. I wished there had been more scenes of them playing live. Peter Hook said recently in something I read that Riley was the better stage version of Curtis, but Sean Harris was more convincing off stage, and I do think that Riley's off stage portrayal was for me a bit too dull. Then again, Corbijn knew Curtis a little and I didn't know him at all, so who am I to judge?!

I don't think Corbijn should have bothered with scenes such as the signing to Factory records in blood, which had been done - and done better - in 24 Hr Party People, and the bloke who played Tony Wilson was crap, a pale and unfunny impersonation of Steve Coogan's TW in 24HPP. But the Rob Gretton character would have been better suited to 24HPP - and he did add a much needed touch of levity to Control.

I did enjoy Control, but ultimately it felt a bit of a let down. Maybe I approached it with unrealistic expectations? All the same, Corbijn should be extremely pleased with it, and for a first ever feature film it is a remarkable achievement.
 
It's the best film I've seen for months. Several fabulous performances as Blagsta has pointed out. Oscars coming thataway I suspect.
 
I really liked the film. The thing that impressed me most was the fact that it didn't fall into the trap of hero-worship, nor of the "tortured genuis who was always going to die young", both of which it so easily could have fallen into.

as someone else on this thread has noted, even at the end of the film, you got the sense that it could have been different - that his suicide was a spur of the moment thing, rather than planned minutely, that on another day he may have just woken up and gone off to america, and i think that it adds to the film somehow.

The other thing that surprised me was how selfish he came across - i personally didn't feel that much sympathy for the "character" of ian curtis - he came across as quite emotionally manipulative, and i didn't really feel sorry for him for the postion he was in with regards the love triangle - he had opportunities to get out of it and be with annika, but decided that he didn't want to, for whatever reasons. obviosuly this is coloured by the fact that it is based on Deborah Curtis' account, so there may be some bias there.

the only thing that i didn't really get was why he was still n love with deborah - the film certainly didn't explain it or give much of an insight into their relationship, or why he stayed with her....
 
I loved it too, though I knew almost nothing about Joy Division or Ian Curtis. The epilepsy and his fear were the touchstones of credibility for me, in a film I had expected to be fanboy stuff.

The sixth form stuff was great too in that it reminded me of how at that time nothing is decided, nothing written in the stars. Loads of films and stuff seem to let us believe it is. He and his mates were indeed kids.

I'm a Fall fan, I whooped at the manager's line 'It could be worse, you could be the lead singer of The Fall', as if put in deliberately to charm the lay viewer. :D

How much smoking in this film? :p
 
As they say 'needs work' ;)


hektik said:
I really liked the film. The thing that impressed me most was the fact that it didn't fall into the trap of hero-worship, nor of the "tortured genuis who was always going to die young", both of which it so easily could have fallen into.
How careful were they in avoiding even a sense of cheap sentimentality - 'kin heroic, imo.

hektik said:
the only thing that i didn't really get was why he was still n love with deborah - the film certainly didn't explain it or give much of an insight into their relationship, or why he stayed with her....
Was he ever really in love with her? What on earth were they doing getting married in the first place. Prob first sexual partner for both, both lived at home until the marriage, diff world.

In relation to why, I think time (late 70s) place (working class town) and family vaues (his family) has much to do with it. Even 30 years ago fings were different. So I felt it was largely obligation and perhaps duty, especially after the child was born.

Imo, that's probably why he couldn't see a way out - seems daft nowadays to us metro types.
 
London_Calling said:
Imo, that's probably why he couldn't see a way out - seems daft nowadays to us metro types.
Exackly. Deborah represents familiar-but-claustrophobic Macclesfield, Annik is the great, exotic, scary unknown.

There are people who live on Barton Street now who rarely venture more than 10 miles away from home. :D
 
Going to see it tomorrow.
Joy Division was a big part of my life as a teenager so I'm looking fwd to it.
 
soulman said:
Cashing in right to the end eh.

You are a twat but....quite right too. Do you know he could have afforded to prolong his life a few months/few years with expensive non NHS cancer drugs had he actually made a penny from Joy Division/New Order/Factory/Hacienda etc:rolleyes:

We are not worthy to have breathed the same air as the great Tony Wilson:mad:

Where is your soul, man?
 
Wow. What a fucking fantastic film and an emotional assault course. Beautifully filmed and a powerful story, told brilliantly. Sam Riley was superb (he was apparently "working in a warehouse in Leeds folding shirts" before getting the role), and Samantha Morton's performance was compelling throughout.

My film of the year!
 
pagan said:
You are a twat but....quite right too. Do you know he could have afforded to prolong his life a few months/few years with expensive non NHS cancer drugs had he actually made a penny from Joy Division/New Order/Factory/Hacienda etc:rolleyes:

We are not worthy to have breathed the same air as the great Tony Wilson:mad:

Where is your soul, man?

gobshite, yes you!
 
editor said:
Wow. What a fucking fantastic film and an emotional assault course. Beautifully filmed and a powerful story, told brilliantly. Sam Riley was superb (he was apparently "working in a warehouse in Leeds folding shirts" before getting the role), and Samantha Morton's performance was compelling throughout.

My film of the year!

That's quite an accolade. I'll have a word with my friend who'll find it online for me.
 
soulman said:
That's quite an accolade. I'll have a word with my friend who'll find it online for me.
Why not watch it in a cinema and enjoy it properly?

There was even an old-school round of applause at the end of the showing at the cinema tonight.
 
editor said:
Why not watch it in a cinema and enjoy it properly?

There was even an old-school round of applause at the end of the showing at the cinema tonight.

Can't afford to at the moment.
 
soulman said:
Can't afford to at the moment.
Aren't there any cinemas near you doing cheapo daytime viewings? It's really worth the price of a couple of pints, you know. Least I think so.
 
I'm sure there are but it's not top of my priority list at the mo. I'm trying to blag free showings at fact so if anyone can get me free membership I would be eternally grateful and buy you a few drinkies in your bar of choice..
 
soulman said:
I'm sure there are but it's not top of my priority list at the mo. I'm trying to blag free showings at fact so if anyone can get me free membership I would be eternally grateful and buy you a few drinkies in your bar of choice..
Why would you bother if you think it's about Tony Wilson "cashing in right to the end eh." Surely you have better things to do?
 
Just got back from seeing it and it was brilliant :cool:

The live scenes were electrifying, and both Sam Riley and Samantha Morton's performances were amazing. I was in tears at the end :oops:

Couldn't help thinking that the bloke playing Tony Wilson was playing Steve Coogan playing Tony Wilson in 24 hour party people though.
 
nipsla said:
Couldn't help thinking that the bloke playing Tony Wilson was playing Steve Coogan playing Tony Wilson in 24 hour party people though.
I made the same comment earlier in the thread - Im not saying you copied me, just that I agree wit ya. And he was nowhere as good either.
 
what do you reckon about the posters? they've been all over the tube and quite a few look like people have tried to hack them off the walls (to no avail - damn tube super glue). I'm guessing a lot of people want one for their bedrooms.
 
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