Contracted to do 30.5 hours, but am working 35 hours as standard - advice
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BristolEcho
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Unpaid breaks should be actual breaks in the working day. Not tacked on to the end of shifts.
Sooooo....
Had a good long look at my contact tonight.
I started as a "bank worker" and this is my main contract, where I was paid £10 (it did not say whether this was hourly or annually or somewhere in between. Although obviously this was hourly). My bank worker contract states that my hours of duty will be determined by my manager, in acccoaccor with my local shift patterns. They aren't clearly specified. We informally agreed that i would work 9.30-8.30. I thought the rota said 10 -8, but it actually says 9.30 to 10.30. Breaks are not mentioned at all.
When I went from bank working to permanent, I received a "variation of contract" which said my new hours of work a week were 30.5hours, for which I would receive £16,283 pa or £10.26 an hour.
Again, there were no mention of breaks or anything.
So now I am feeling a little exploited again!
My pay slips don't make clear what I get paid for overtime, either.
I am definitely going to bring this up in supervision, because it doesn't make sense.
Had a good long look at my contact tonight.
I started as a "bank worker" and this is my main contract, where I was paid £10 (it did not say whether this was hourly or annually or somewhere in between. Although obviously this was hourly). My bank worker contract states that my hours of duty will be determined by my manager, in acccoaccor with my local shift patterns. They aren't clearly specified. We informally agreed that i would work 9.30-8.30. I thought the rota said 10 -8, but it actually says 9.30 to 10.30. Breaks are not mentioned at all.
When I went from bank working to permanent, I received a "variation of contract" which said my new hours of work a week were 30.5hours, for which I would receive £16,283 pa or £10.26 an hour.
Again, there were no mention of breaks or anything.
So now I am feeling a little exploited again!
My pay slips don't make clear what I get paid for overtime, either.
I am definitely going to bring this up in supervision, because it doesn't make sense.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
It makes sense if they're a bit slap dash about covering their arses in matter of contract.
Sounds like a right mess, but everyone deserves to know TO THE PENNY what their labour is rewarding them with, breaks are a legal requirement and not an option, and 30.5 means 30.5 in anyone's universe, in anyone's industry, in anyone's job role. Anything more you offer, in my opinion, is tantamount to shoplifting your own store, and should be resisted at all costs if terms and conditions and labour rights are to mean anything.
Deffo get some answers, did you get an email or letter when they offered you the permanent role?
It makes sense if they're a bit slap dash about covering their arses in matter of contract.
Sounds like a right mess, but everyone deserves to know TO THE PENNY what their labour is rewarding them with, breaks are a legal requirement and not an option, and 30.5 means 30.5 in anyone's universe, in anyone's industry, in anyone's job role. Anything more you offer, in my opinion, is tantamount to shoplifting your own store, and should be resisted at all costs if terms and conditions and labour rights are to mean anything.
Deffo get some answers, did you get an email or letter when they offered you the permanent role?
Jesus Wookey I don't fucking remember! I'm an ex-addict with ADHD working nights at a care home. Not the type who can keep their head when all about them are losing theirs and blaming it on me. I'm not a man, my son.
But yeah, don't worry, I'll be looking into it. When my manager gets back from holiday this week, and I get a chance to book in some supervision. He's a nice guy. All the staff there are very nice people. They have their wits about them. I just need to keep mine about me. We'll get to the bottom of this.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Jesus Wookey I don't fucking remember! I'm an ex-addict with ADHD working nights at a care home. Not the type who can keep their head when all about them are losing theirs and blaming it on me. I'm not a man, my son.
But yeah, don't worry, I'll be looking into it. When my manager gets back from holiday this week, and I get a chance to book in some supervision. He's a nice guy. All the staff there are very nice people.
Just a suggestion, it's fine not to know!
Your situation makes me mad, that's all. I hope they are nice and respect your rights.
Let us know!
If you're Scooby, I'm Velma.
As of this post, I no longer understand the situation at all, and I'm pretty good with hours/ contracts etc.
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Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Zoiks!
Puddy_Tat
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i don't think there is a specific rule about it...FridgeMagnet so am I not allowed to post scooby doo pornograhphy cartoons, then?
FridgeMagnet
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The mods here are right fascists
The mods here are right fascists
You're out of line, FM. Drunk on power.
Yeah, Friday.
So, had supervision with my manager. He advised that I should have half an hour break, and will amend the contract to 31.5 hours. I did mention that I'm technically not really on a break at any point, because I'm lone working, so it's not like I can just pop over the shop for that half hour and do what I want. I need to be in the office by the phone in case one of the 2nd stage clients (they come to the service during the day, but live in unsupervised properties the rest of the time) have to call us in the middle of the night if there's an emergency at one of the other properties, so even on the quiet shifts when the whole shift is pretty much a break, I'm still here and technically working. I'm not gonna get into EU working time directive stuff about mandatory breaks, because it's just a whole can of worms that I can't be bothered to get into when the reality is I'm on a fairly easy number here - A job that I do because I care and because I like doing it, because I can get some great experience out of the organisation, and also contribute to making it a better place.
We discussed the extra hour that I am typically doing on Saturday and Sunday, and he said that this has been a long term thing with previous night shift workers - basically, the clients get up in the winter months at 8, because its dark, but as the summer months come along they tend to get up earlier and get their medication earlier and it's quite likely that I'll be able to complete all my duties and leave on time. I said that I'd prefer it if it was contracted in to my working hours, because even if it gets better in the summer months it can still possibly happen. He said he'd take it to his manager and get it discussed, but he seemed agreeable to getting the hours amended.
I'm pretty much happy with the outcome. Thanks for everyone's support and input. Really helped me out.
We discussed the extra hour that I am typically doing on Saturday and Sunday, and he said that this has been a long term thing with previous night shift workers - basically, the clients get up in the winter months at 8, because its dark, but as the summer months come along they tend to get up earlier and get their medication earlier and it's quite likely that I'll be able to complete all my duties and leave on time. I said that I'd prefer it if it was contracted in to my working hours, because even if it gets better in the summer months it can still possibly happen. He said he'd take it to his manager and get it discussed, but he seemed agreeable to getting the hours amended.
I'm pretty much happy with the outcome. Thanks for everyone's support and input. Really helped me out.
I am retired now, however HR was very much a part of my job. If you have an hourly paid job the choice to work additional hours is completely yours, regardless of what your employers may have told you or written in your contract. Now the bad news. Within the first two years of employment you can not take them to tribunal, unless it is a case of sexual or racial discrimination, or health and safety issues. So in reality they can sack you without reason for a total of two years from your first day of employment. Good luck
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Late to the party?
Looks like it got sorted a couple of months ago.☺
Thanks for that. I'm hoping that they aren't gonna sack me for no reason.
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