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Does this count?
 
Pickman's model said:
class struggle is a process not a product.
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The reproduction of the class system results in a product. I thought that was what was meant (reaching for a meaning that makes sense rather than jumping straight to pedantry). But speaking in literal terms, then #26 is a case of a literal no.
Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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hitmouse said:
Tbh I am still a bit confused by the request in the OP - is it for good communist guidance, on working in a capitalist workplace, with a non-class-struggle focus? That is a very niche category if so.
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Good communist guidance on working in a workplace (regardless of which system this exists within). I don't see why it's a niche category, but it is.

If you go into a book shop you'll easily find books telling you how to individually advance your career, which treat the workplace as a competition.

Im looking for guidance from a communist perspective. Of grafting sufficiently, not skiving on the sly, but openly taking sufficient breaks, trying to make sure everyone is treated fairly, while also seeking group cohesion. Etc.
 
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Ĝasper said:
Good communist guidance on working in a workplace (regardless of which system this exists within). I don't see why it's a niche category, but it is.

If you go into a book shop you'll easily find books telling you how to individually advance your career, which treat the workplace as a competition.

Im looking for guidance from a communist perspective. Of grafting sufficiently, not skiving on the sly, but openly taking sufficient breaks, trying to make sure everyone is treated fairly, while also seeking group cohesion. Etc.
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I don't think you're looking for communist guidance after all if you're looking for something like that.
 
Ĝasper said:
Good communist guidance on working in a workplace (regardless of which system this exists within). I don't see why it's a niche category, but it is.

If you go into a book shop you'll easily find books telling you how to individually advance your career, which treat the workplace as a competition.

Im looking for guidance from a communist perspective. Of grafting sufficiently, not skiving on the sly, but openly taking sufficient breaks, trying to make sure everyone is treated fairly, while also seeking group cohesion. Etc.
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Is this what you're after?
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Pickman's model said:
if you knew anything about communism you'd know lenin was a great fan of taylorism, which doesn't really support the big happy family notion you seem keen to promote
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So Lenin's definition of communism, which occurred in its own context in space and time, is the only one. Please keep your "if you knew anything" attitude to yourself.
 
Ĝasper said:
Good communist guidance on working in a workplace (regardless of which system this exists within). I don't see why it's a niche category, but it is.

If you go into a book shop you'll easily find books telling you how to individually advance your career, which treat the workplace as a competition.

Im looking for guidance from a communist perspective. Of grafting sufficiently, not skiving on the sly, but openly taking sufficient breaks, trying to make sure everyone is treated fairly, while also seeking group cohesion. Etc.
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Here’s what I hope is constructive account of my experience.
What I learnt from more experienced comrades in workplace organising ( from manual to white collar) was firstly noone takes seriously what you say politically unless you are good at your job . Being good at your job reduces management’s ability to attack you, it also gives you credibility and some status . Part of being good at your job is to help / advise others which in turn helps you cement relationships at work . Try not to openly gossip about other workers or scapegoat .The problem with blatant skivers and fiddling is that it invites management incursion and sets precedents .
The best militants I came across knew the company or section of the public sector inside out ; it’s finances , structures , management shenanigans and reputations and how to play them .
Building something in the workplace is difficult, time consuming and precarious at the best of times but if you want to do it you can’t do it without building respect , relationships , some security and being seen to be a key player.
 
The39thStep said:
Here’s what I hope is constructive account of my experience.
What I learnt from more experienced comrades in workplace organising ( from manual to white collar) was firstly noone takes seriously what you say politically unless you are good at your job . Being good at your job reduces management’s ability to attack you, it also gives you credibility and some status . Part of being good at your job is to help / advise others which in turn helps you cement relationships at work . Try not to openly gossip about other workers or scapegoat .The problem with blatant skivers and fiddling is that it invites management incursion and sets precedents .
The best militants I came across knew the company or section of the public sector inside out ; it’s finances , structures , management shenanigans and reputations and how to play them .
Building something in the workplace is difficult, time consuming and precarious at the best of times but if you want to do it you can’t do it without building respect , relationships , some security and being seen to be a key player.
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That’s not communist though is it. It’s all true and works well for a capitalist who wants to play the system to win. It’s general good advice.
 
Supine said:
That’s not communist though is it. It’s all true and works well for a capitalist who wants to play the system to win. It’s general good advice.
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I can say that in all my working life I have never worked with a capitalist . People who support capitalism yes, people who are anti communist yes . For a capitalist yes . With one no, they usually own a company and that’s how they play to win.
 
Ĝasper said:
So Lenin's definition of communism, which occurred in its own context in space and time, is the only one. Please keep your "if you knew anything" attitude to yourself.
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Going by your by c communism in the thread title. And Lenin being very influential in that tradition it seemed to me worth pointing out. If suggestions don't meet your def of communism perhaps you'd like to lay yours out to avoid any further misunderstanding
 
Idaho said:
You are clearly new here if you think urban's most prolific and most ignored poster will ever do that.
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Editor is urban's most prolific poster. And quite evidently the boards' most ignored poster given the frequency with which his edicts are treated with contempt. No one seeks your 'urban's most boring poster' crown which you've worn with pride for more than 20 years
 
The39thStep said:
Here’s what I hope is constructive account of my experience.
What I learnt from more experienced comrades in workplace organising ( from manual to white collar) was firstly noone takes seriously what you say politically unless you are good at your job . Being good at your job reduces management’s ability to attack you, it also gives you credibility and some status . Part of being good at your job is to help / advise others which in turn helps you cement relationships at work . Try not to openly gossip about other workers or scapegoat .The problem with blatant skivers and fiddling is that it invites management incursion and sets precedents .
The best militants I came across knew the company or section of the public sector inside out ; it’s finances , structures , management shenanigans and reputations and how to play them .
Building something in the workplace is difficult, time consuming and precarious at the best of times but if you want to do it you can’t do it without building respect , relationships , some security and being seen to be a key player.
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no no no. skiving and fiddling are the cornerstones of the working class. if there's a tat syndicate, you're in it. if everyone else is only hitting eighty percent of their count, so do you. if the fitters on afternoons are in the pub at nine, you are the one up the bar ordering.
 
my mate frank went on a trade union delegation to algeria after they kicked out the french. they were being shown round a bottling plant where some feller was telling them how before the revolution when it was french owned the place employed twenty and now it was a workers run cooperative it employed forty. the tankies in the delegation were perplexed and angry, the workers should be more efficient now. the feller said the plant was more efficient, before it fed twenty families, now it feeds forty.
tankies. dont trust em.
 
discokermit said:
my mate frank went on a trade union delegation to algeria after they kicked out the french. they were being shown round a bottling plant where some feller was telling them how before the revolution when it was french owned the place employed twenty and now it was a workers run cooperative it employed forty. the tankies in the delegation were perplexed and angry, the workers should be more efficient now. the feller said the plant was more efficient, before it fed twenty families, now it feeds forty.
tankies. dont trust em.
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Andreas makes that point in his look back at the half-arsed attempts at what he calls "industrial citizenship" in the early PRC - twisters now want to pretend the economy only took off after "reform" but even by bourgeois lights it grew massively in the early years and every single urban worker had a job if they wanted/were able. I reckon the Chinese experience really is worth a look, for all its many flaws, and setting aside the rural-urban divide which was of course massive, the reason there's a fair bit of nostalgia from that generation is there were also genuine shop floor democratic improvements.
 
discokermit said:
no no no. skiving and fiddling are the cornerstones of the working class. if there's a tat syndicate, you're in it. if everyone else is only hitting eighty percent of their count, so do you. if the fitters on afternoons are in the pub at nine, you are the one up the bar ordering.
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Yes. I agree thats collective. I was thinking more of reckless individuals who attract attention.
 
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