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Cardiff City 2009-2010 season

I don't lıke to say ıt, but Trıppy has a poınt.


No he doesn't. Newcastle are not a Premier League side. They are a Championship side.

Just because they have been a Premier League side for the last few years doesn't make them one now. They have lost most of their best players from last season but remain one of the favourites to get promoted - along with Boro and west Brom, the other relegated sides.

Newcastle are a Championship side. Nothing more.
 
I wasn't taking cup competitions into consideration with that post.

Just stressing the point that Cardiff fans know the difference between championship level and prem already. I doubt that few are under the illusion that we'd new players to compete.
 
They're the best team ın the Champıonshıp though.

Yeah agreed - and so they should be really. Their wage bill is phenomenal compared to other teams in that league. Good luck to them. Just thougt it was worth clarifying that they are not currently a Premiership side.
 
For me NUFC were a boring very cynical team, thye were more street wise than city and played the ref like a trombone. Alan Smith should have been sent off far earlier imho, as he played all the game on or over the line. Bothroyd was crap but the few chances he did have Smithy was climbing all over him, Chopra also felt his weight on more than one occasion. Not a great performance from city, but atleast we tried to play football. If the game NUFC played is what success is about then fuck it. I remember watching Neath play rugby in the early 80s and thinking that if 9man rugby was what won you games, and it did, then I'd rather not be there to see it!

the first 20-30 minutes were pretty open, you can't expect a team ravaged by injury who are playing away from home against a pretty strong side to be playing open football for 90 minutes. We were hardly Bolton.
As for the ref, he gave you countless free kicks all second half, I would say he was inconsistent, but favored you lot more than us.
Btw, you've obviously not watched much of NUFC over the years, that was an exercise in damage limitation, not pretty to watch (for either side), but there was still some good open football from both sides at times, and you have to keep in mind we had one young lad up front who was just being blooded in the reserves last season (who I thought had a canny game).




Fair play to Cardiff though you never gave up and a late equaliser looked on the cards.
 
No he doesn't. Newcastle are not a Premier League side. They are a Championship side.

Just because they have been a Premier League side for the last few years doesn't make them one now. They have lost most of their best players from last season but remain one of the favourites to get promoted - along with Boro and west Brom, the other relegated sides.

Newcastle are a Championship side. Nothing more.

I take issue with you there. They are a championship team with an extra £15million for 2 years. the parachute payments should be scrapped as they artificially affect the championship and lead to a self fulfilling prophecy of the promotion of the relegated clubs.
 
the parachute payments should be scrapped as they artificially affect the championship and lead to a self fulfilling prophecy of the promotion of the relegated clubs.

That's the ıdea though ınnıt, bastards that they are.
 
I take issue with you there. They are a championship team with an extra £15million for 2 years. the parachute payments should be scrapped as they artificially affect the championship and lead to a self fulfilling prophecy of the promotion of the relegated clubs.

If it was being used to strengthen the squad (in our case) then I would say you may have a point, but considering we haven't purchased a soul, our club is in total limbo as regards to a manager/owner, we have a thread bare side at the moment, and Nicky Butt is still getting a game (christ!), along with everyone having us down to do a Leeds, I don't think your point means much.

There is a far bigger divide between the top part of the premiership to the bottom part, than there is in the Championship. I don't think there's much between teams like Cardiff, boro, Sheff Utd, mackems, Hull, Burnley, Wigan, Bolton, WBA etc.

Look at Reading, where were they a few seasons ago?
 
If it was being used to strengthen the squad (in our case) then I would say you may have a point, but considering we haven't purchased a soul, our club is in total limbo as regards to a manager/owner, we have a thread bare side at the moment, and Nicky Butt is still getting a game (christ!), along with everyone having us down to do a Leeds, I don't think your point means much.

There is a far bigger divide between the top part of the premiership to the bottom part, than there is in the Championship. I don't think there's much between teams like Cardiff, boro, Sheff Utd, mackems, Hull, Burnley, Wigan, Bolton, WBA etc.

Look at Reading, where were they a few seasons ago?

But the money is used to strengthen the squads. If you didnt have the guarantee of the parachute money then you would have had to release far more players than you have, and therefore the likes of Cardiff would be able to compete on a more level playing field.

Besides which NUFC's financial woes are of their own doing.
 
Surely more mobility between the Champ and the Prem would be good for football as a whole? So I agree that the parachute payments are a daft ıdea. I like the strangely socıalıstıc draft system they have ın the Amerıcan NFL. Don't suppose ıt could be replıcated ın footıe though.
 
Surely more mobility between the Champ and the Prem would be good for football as a whole? So I agree that the parachute payments are a daft ıdea. I like the strangely socıalıstıc draft system they have ın the Amerıcan NFL. Don't suppose ıt could be replıcated ın footıe though.

The other thing about American sports is that TV money and any league wide sposnsorship deals are shared equally. If EPL money was shared equally then the top 4 wouldn't be the same every season. Man Utd get the lions share of any tv money and the likes of Hull, Stoke etc get a pittance.
 
But the money is used to strengthen the squads.

You can also waste a load of money on shit as most NUFC fans will tell you.

There is still a chance of free fall for us yet, it's early days still. I agree though with your sentiment, but I feel that any money gained by entering the Championship will be used to offset the bigger loss of money resulting from being relegated from the Premiership.
 
clubs don't lose money from being relegated, they just receive a smaller wedge than if they were in the prem.
 
clubs don't lose money from being relegated, they just receive a smaller wedge than if they were in the prem.

So they lose money then.

Or should I phrase it they lose out on money by getting relegated.

As i've said I can't see every relegated team spending this money just on strengthening the squad, if at all. It will be used to cover outgoings, wages, lost gates, lost sponsorship etc.

Did those teams promoted last season all benefit from a bag of money they received by getting relegated?

Bar a typical Newcastle implosion the teams relegated this season are a lot stronger than those last season (Reading, Derby) where are they at the moment? Yo-Yo teams like Birmingham, WBA, boro, mackems are always going to be strong in the championship and shit in the prem, they've got it off to a fine art.
 
So they lose money then.

Or should I phrase it they lose out on money by getting relegated.

As i've said I can't see every relegated team spending this money just on strengthening the squad, if at all. It will be used to cover outgoings, wages, lost gates, lost sponsorship etc.

Did those teams promoted last season all benefit from a bag of money they received by getting relegated?

Bar a typical Newcastle implosion the teams relegated this season are a lot stronger than those last season (Reading, Derby) where are they at the moment? Yo-Yo teams like Birmingham, WBA, boro, mackems are always going to be strong in the championship and shit in the prem, they've got it off to a fine art.

But if you get money for being relegated you have more money than teams that were always in the championship and that isnt fair!
 
But if you get money for being relegated you have more money than teams that were always in the championship and that isnt fair!

as already mentioned, I agree with you, and as I've already mentioned 2 of the teams relegated last year are in the bottom half of the Championship this year and struggling, 2 teams promoted last season did not get this *bonus*.
 
But if the championship teams haven't achieved promotion, why should they get the same money?

You are missing the point completely, promoted sides get money for being in the EPL, thats fair enough, but when they drop down they continue to be paid more than other championship teams, that is not fair!
 
as already mentioned, I agree with you, and as I've already mentioned 2 of the teams relegated last year are in the bottom half of the Championship this year and struggling, 2 teams promoted last season did not get this *bonus*.

Th 3 teams relegated last season are the top 3 in the championship at present! Whcih 2 teams didnt get the bonus? I dont understand your post.
 
Th 3 teams relegated last season are the top 3 in the championship at present! Whcih 2 teams didnt get the bonus? I dont understand your post.


I was meaning the teams relegated the season before we were relegated -Derby & Reading.

The two teams that didn't receive a bonus yet were promoted last season are Burnley & Wolves.
 
It seems that city want a £6mil buyot clause and Ledley wants a £4mil one.

I think Ledley's valuation is more accurate and that he really is only worth £4mil.
 
It seems that city want a £6mil buyot clause and Ledley wants a £4mil one.

I think Ledley's valuation is more accurate and that he really is only worth £4mil.

I think he really is only worth £4 after sunday's performance.
 
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